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I split off the information about the colour into a separate article.Phil | Talk 17:24, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
THE FACT THAT BEETLES ARE USED AS FOOD COLORING IS NASTY[edit]
Can we please make a list of foods in which carmine food dye can be found? I know it's in "Good and Plenty" yuck >:P
It's not a beetle; it's a scale insect. The classification difference between beetles and scale insects is on the "Order" level, the level where we are classified as primates and not rodents. A small point perhaps. Otherwise, I do know it's present in Dole Ruby Red Grapefruit Juice. Rkitko 10:58, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's just fucking gross. Make them stop already damnit! 05:44, 17 May 2006
ok. just elect me president of the universe. by the way, your food has allowable concentrations of bug parts. and remember, they are natural, and good for you. unlike coal tar extracts which provide the color for gatorade and doritos. yumm, bug parts.75.61.132.26 (talk) 01:19, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to take out some of the weasel words and POV language.--MUSpud2 00:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Horrible. I was eating a danone yogurt, and looked at its color, so artificial-looking and really useless in the yogurt, it doesnt add nothing to it, I was disgusted. and checked on wikipedia was the E-120 stands for... why companies do this? I dont understand. --Pedro (talk) 09:51, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Three of the main reasons food companies color food are to:
offset color loss due to exposure to light, air, temperature extremes, moisture and storage conditions
correct natural variations in color
enhance colors that occur naturally
provide color to colorless and "fun" foods
Carmine is added to many foods (including yogurt) to do all those things, however the main reason is the first. During the fruit processing, the strawberries loose much of their color and need to have color added back to them to appeal to consumers.
"really useless in the yogurt, doesnt add nothing to it" huh? look at these uncolored yogurts Uncolored 1Uncolored 2 and tell me if the added carmine does not make the yogurt look more like strawberries... Colored (Skoot13 (talk) 12:39, 18 May 2012 (UTC))[reply]
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These are presumably not kosher? Drutt (talk) 22:04, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I had a Rabbi for the Orthodox Union (circle U) explain to me that Carmine Red could be certified as Kosher because the Torah forbids eating "the bugs that crawl upon the earth" and the insects in question never crawl upon the earth. Other organizations (Circle K, Star K) do not agree with this technicality and will not certify it as Kosher. I do not have any paper or internet links to back this up, however. Still, if someone is able to track down a source, it would be an interesting addition. 2 March 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.53.248.38 (talk) 11:11, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Is not carmine soluble, which makes it a dye rather than a pigment (carmine lake would then be the corresponding pigment)?Moletrouser (talk) 20:59, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There seems to be some confusion about this issue. There is a Red #40, which is an artificial dye. In the introduction to this article, it says that Carmine = cochineal = Natural Red #40. However,in the section on the European Union, it says:
and listed under the names Cochineal, Carminic acid, Carmines and Natural Red 4 as additive E 120 in the list of EU-approved food additives.
Of course, many web pages list it as #40, but that's because they are quoting this introduction verbatim. Does anyone know how to find out what the official names are? Ileanadu (talk) 14:55, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It is FD&C Red 4. Presumably people confuse red 4 with the much more common red 40. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.53.248.38 (talk) 11:07, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There used to be a picture on this page of the beetles that are used for carmine. It's now gone. If it was copyrighted, then understood. But did someone take it out for aesthetic reasons? If so that is vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.96.248 (talk) 20:41, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I do not know what picture you are speaking of, but there still is a picture of the insect on the page. There has not been another image in the page for more than a year, so I doubt its "removal" was vandalism. (Skoot13 (talk) 13:20, 17 September 2012 (UTC))[reply]
The carminic acid used to produce the pigment can also be extracted from various microbes engineered for the purpose[citation needed]. Microbes are dissolved in a containment structure separate from their cultivation vats, and then allowed to settle out. The liquid and suspended carminic acid is then siphoned off, and metal salts are then added to give a lake pigment in a procedure that is mostly identical to the procedure for acid extracted from insects.
I searched Google, Google Scholar, Google Books and a professional science library database, and I could find no reference to this process, so I severely doubt that it's a notable source of carmine, or even whether it's been done on anything other than lab scale if at all. --Slashme (talk) 09:06, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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