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Fake reference[edit]

http://books.google.com/?id=TaDWFZYoZC8C&pg=PA7&dq=%22viet+kieu%22+self-identification&q=%22viet%20kieu%22%20self-identification%7Cpublisher=Rowman & Littlefield Publishers this reference is fake because it is unrelated to the claim that "Việt Kiều" is not used for self-reference. I don't say that the claim is false, just that this source is fake, just check it out. It point to highlighted texts "self-identification" and "Việt Kiều" but these paragraphs doesn't prove the claim in any ways. Besides removing this fake reference, I edited this page with much more information, notably updating the Vietnamese American number to near 1.8 million too.Arist Tara (talk) 17:03, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you say it's fake? In page 7 it clearly said that the name "Viet Kieu" is imposed externally (by people in Vietnam). I also can't find the 1.8 million figure in the links you cited. DHN (talk) 17:18, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My bad. Sorry, the source is correct. The US census factfinder use a machinery so that you can't take the permalink of the fact being searched. You can manually reach that page by entering in "Quick Start" of http://factfinder2.census.gov/ "Vietnamese" and check the "race/ancestry" checkbox, choose "Vietnamese and any combination", "OK", and then roll down and choose the first "SELECTED POPULATION PROFILE IN THE UNITED STATES". I'll change the ref to this link and the guide. Arist Tara (talk) 17:44, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The largest number I found was 1,737,433, not 1.8 million. DHN (talk) 17:55, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Look at it here. http://www.mediafire.com/?s791b2lzceibrsp the latest 2010 census also includes interesting degree information, so I added that too. Arist Tara (talk) 18:43, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

koreans in slovakia[edit]

Why always slovakia not exist never in diaspora statistics??? I know there are 5000 Vietnamese in Slovakia, so why are none informations about that?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.219.158.127 (talk) 23:35, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the Slovakia section, but just 2,000. Arist Tara (talk) 17:46, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Spanish Translation?[edit]

Should we have a Spanish translation of this article, if it all possible? I am willing to do it, but I am new to Wikipedia— any guidance?

(Jimmyhan son (talk) 06:51, 16 September 2011 (UTC))[reply]

Old talk[edit]

Too many external links! Problem is, I don't know where to start. - Wikiacc 23:46, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Okay I edited half of the "Relations with Vietnam" portion, changing syntax and diction to make it a bit more intelligible; but by god, Nguoi Vietnam oi, write better. jeez. 69.231.202.228 17:40, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest to change the title of the article to English. When I see it on my watchlist, I never remember what Kiều is. JanSuchy 20:40, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Europe[edit]

Should we merge Vietnamese Europeans back to here? Since it's also an overview, might as well keep it in the main overview article; for example, Vietnamese in the post-communist countries really don't have that much in common with Vietnamese war refugees in France, except by their virtue of being on the same continent. (Don't think that "Vietnamese Europeans" is a particularly good title either ... ) cab 01:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Might as well, although there's no reason to lump them all together either, since we don't lump USA with Canada...we should just list them in order of size. DHN 03:00, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No objections for a month, so I'm redirecting. Actually there is no content worth merging in my opinion, since it's entirely unsourced, and full of WP:OR about how they assimilate faster and whatnot. I'm pasting the table below in case it can be sourced. Also see pl:Wietnamczycy w Europie (an unsourced substub) cab 03:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the Vietnamese population in France 600,000? The article says 250,000. Yellowtailshark (talk) 23:34, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lacking an authorative census, estimates of the number of Vietnamese in France vary wildly. One estimate gives Paris alone 400,000 people [1]. The 250,000-300,000 estimate seems the most reasonable, as it is supported by both the Vietnamese[2] and French[3] governments. DHN (talk) 23:49, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rank	Country	Capital City	Population.
1	France	Paris	600,000
2	Germany	Berlin	120,000
3	Russia	Moscow	50,000
4	Poland	Warsaw	45,000
5	United Kingdom	London	35,000
6	Czech Republic	Prague	25,000
7	Norway	Oslo	18,000
8	Netherlands	Amsterdam	17,000
9	Sweden	Stockholm	16,000
10	Switzerland	Bern	12,000
11	Belgium	Brussels	10,000
12	Denmark	Copenhagen	9,000
14	Italy	Rome	5,000
13	Austria	Vienna	3,000
14	Finland	Helsinki	2,000
15	Spain	Madrid	2,000
Total	Europe		953,000

Vietnamese in the United Kingdom[edit]

Information on UK viet kieu has been vandalised. The illegal UK cannabis growing trade has been taken over by the overseas vietnamese. This is very important information, and is much bigger than the usual welfare frauds associated with these people.

Crimes committed by members of any ethnic group are nothing new. The information you added gives undue weight to a small number of criminals in the UK. DHN 15:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, this is new. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.60.106.5 (talk) 16:55, 21 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

DHN stop vandalizing this article by removal of important information. Even your justification is untrue. There are an estimated 3000 cannabis factories in London alone, hardly a small number of oversea vietnamese criminals. This is not the usual fraudulent welfare claims that you come across by these people. You sound as though you know a lot about these vietnamese criminals, perhaps you should tell the Police what you know. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.60.106.5 (talk) 20:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Your additions is not relevant because the entire discussion on Vietnamese in the UK is about their cannabis activities. This gives undue weight to those activities. You might as well say that Vietnamese Australians are cocaine dealers and Vietnamese Americans all grow cannabis since they dominate the nail salon market in the US, they can also be pirates, murderers, etc. I don't object to mentions of their drug dealing activities but it must be offset by other activities. Your additions are just a hatchet job. DHN 21:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DHN: Why don't you add those points yourself? Wiki is an encyclopedia, 'good' & 'bad' points are permitted. If the overseas vietnamese in the UK are famous (infamous) for growing cannabis, then it is legitimate to state it in this article. They don't seem to be known for anything else, but if you know differently, then please add them. I did not say anything about the vietnamese in the US or Australia, but if you wish to say something, then please do. This article is titled overseas vietnamese, the subheading is Europe, of which the UK is the sub-subheading (in line with the details of the other European countries). If you continue to vandalize the article, then you will be reported.

Here are the discussion found in TALK. It can be easily seen that some vietnamese nationalists are trying to suppress the truth about the activities of the overseas vietnamese, which is a topic in this article.

            [edit] Culture of Vietnam page

I am in the process of possibly reporting your behavior to the admins. While your claims are backed up with sources, they are irrelevent in some of the places where you have decided to add them. There are criminals in every society but that doesn't permit you to make blanket statements about Vietnamese traditional culture.

Actually this message came through on the article for overseas vietnamese and not vietnamese traditional culture. This article was on overseas vietnamese in the UK.

By simply reading your contributions history we can all tell your obvious agenda towards seeking out all possible articles to degrade Vietnamese.

The overseas vietnamese in the UK degrade themselves by being found out to be unlawful cannabis producers on a massive scale, harming the interest of the host country and her people, who have shown them nothing but kindness. This is the thanks they get for giving these people asylum, residence and protection from the horrors these people say they suffered in their own country of vietnam. In the UK the overseas vietnamese have now been found out to be the biggest players in the cannabis market. If you know other things the overseas vietnamese are known for in the UK, then please contribute that to the article.

Would you think it is acceptable at all for me to compile 20 articles on whatever triad activities in foreign countries and paste that onto a traditional culture of China page? Or Yakuza? or Hispanic gangs? So on so forth.

Yes; please compile 20 articles on each of these. I shall look forward to reading them. By the way there are also vietnamese triads, so compile articles on them as well.

Where are theses articles, I still can't find them?

Your sources are indeed valuable in articles where they fit, such as your addition of the Vietnamese case in the human trafficking page. But it's clear you just sought out articles and modified bits here and there to try and apply the same diatribe onto as many articles as possible.

It does fit the article on overseas vietnamese (viet kieu). You are vietnamese so you are naturally biased of anything which tells the unsavoury truth about the overseas vietnamese.

Like I said, all admins need to do is read your contribs. history to see the pattern of your additions and your agenda. Not to mention that you've already been warned twice for other vandalism.

BTW you are the ones who are vandalising the article. I shall consider reporting you to the Wiki administrators.

Annamite tonkinese 15:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

                [edit] Vietnamese trafficking

Please stop adding this information to Overseas Vietnamese and Culture of Vietnam. While nobody is disputing the accuracy of this information, it has as much to do with Vietnamese people or Vietnamese culture as triads have to do with Chinese people or culture. DHN 16:14, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd be the first in line to bad-mouth the Vietnamese and their illegal habits, since I've seen firsthand their tax evasion and video piracy activities. But your edits are ridiculous and have no relevance to the article. DHN 15:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, how come none of these were mentioned in your edit of the articles?

They are in fact mentioned. In the article Vietnamese American, gang activities are mentioned, but it's done in context of their other activities. DHN 16:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Your additions are not relevant to the articles and will be reverted. I will alert the administrators regarding this matter. DHN 02:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC) Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did to Culture of Vietnam, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. .Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[1] "The Vietnamese value money and wealth more than anything. To that end will engage in illegal activities, such as drug production and running, without a thought on the harm drugs do to other people." Aside from that, the sources say that the people arrested were of Vietnamese ethnicity. You are portraying this as a cultural trait. If you continue, you will be blocked. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Bananabucket: You are only saying that as you are vietnamese, and are not acting with neutrality. Why don't you help your people by improving your culture rather than by denying it?

The article below is just one of many that shows what the overseas vietnamese in the UK are doing. A brother (BUI anh hai) and sister (BUI ha phu) team, with the sister heavily pregnant. There is nothing else like this for any other people in the UK; for the love of money the woman is prepared to risk having to give birth a convicted prisoner, and have her child brought up in the first years of its life in prison. Yes, they made a lot of money, estimated at US$3m, and lived in luxury, but what for- the love of money? It would appear that it is acceptable in the culture of these overseas vietnamese people for their children to find out and live with the fact that their parents and family members are big drug dealers, that the luxury they enjoy came from drug dealing. It seems that the value of kinship outweighs any thought for the damage they do to the society and other human beings they find themselves among. This is the culture of the overseas vietnamese in the UK, and the culture of kinship. https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/government-freezes-drugs-profits-7533362 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:C13C:9F00:A989:3D90:1D90:E356 (talk) 22:51, 19 October 2021 (UTC) http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/search/story.aspx?brand=EADOnline&category=News&itemid=IPED16%20Mar%202007%2017:52:52:483&tBrand=EADOnline&tCategory=search[reply]

If we go by what the vietnamese nationalists say here, then the Japanese would not need to acknowledge or apologize for their crimes against Asian women in WW2, the British do not need to admit or apologise for their role in the African slave trade because only some Japanese and British were involved in these crimes, and most of them are now dead. But this week the Japanese PM has gone one step closer to apologizing, and in the 200 anniversary of the abolition of slavery by the British, they again apologize for what was done. You overseas vietnamese people should realise that what some of your people are doing is very wrong, and they are tainting all vietnamese. Like the Japanese and the British, the vietnamese should admit and change their conduct in the world.

Please read the article on Japanese people and English people and see where it discusses these issues. These activities are irrelevant to a discussion about an ethnic group. DHN 02:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article here is titled overseas vietnamese. The vietnamese in the UK are a subset of the subject title, thus it is perfectly legitimate within Wiki rules to note what the vietnamese are famous for in the UK. The vietnamese are famous for growing cannabis in illegal cannabis factories in the UK. If you other vietnamese people don't want to hear the truth, then tough.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4757023.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3965035.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5316664.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,1939328,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/drugs/Story/0,,1860305,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,1772195,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/drugs/Story/0,,1731843,00.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,1567386,00.html

http://www.ukcia.org/news/shownewsarticle.php?articleid=12256

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6445201.stm

http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/search/story.aspx?brand=EADOnline&category=News&itemid=IPED16%20Mar%202007%2017:52:52:483&tBrand=EADOnline&tCategory=search

http://www.ukcia.org/news/shownewsarticle.php?articleid=12545

http://www.ukcia.org/news/shownewsarticle.php?articleid=12841 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.100.44 (talk) 00:36, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.ukcia.org/news/shownewsarticle.php?articleid=12850 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.100.44 (talk) 00:45, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.ukcia.org/news/shownewsarticle.php?articleid=12861 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.100.44 (talk) 22:41, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.ukcia.org/news/shownewsarticle.php?articleid=12909

http://www.ukcia.org/news/shownewsarticle.php?articleid=12925

http://www.ukcia.org/news/shownewsarticle.php?articleid=13000 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.215.165 (talk) 12:51, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/nottinghamshire/7587826.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.97.59 (talk) 23:37, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Added section of Vietnamese in Great Britain. It does mention the criminal activities of some, but hopefully it doesn't overshadow the rest of the community there. DHN (talk) 21:22, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.ukcia.org/news/shownewsarticle.php?articleid=13078 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.205.12 (talk) 00:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is no source to say that the criminals are Vietnamese British. Indeed the press reports that many of these criminals are to be deported after serving their prison sentences, which means that they are not British. 'Vietnamese British' should be changed to 'Vietnamese in Britain'. Latest press report also say that these criminals were generally the post-1997 arrivals, which shows that they are not linked to the Vietnamese people who arrived in the 1970s who generally have lived peacefully in the UK and are mostly now Vietnamese British or British Vietnamese unlike their more recently arrived criminal compatriots who are still Vietnamese Vietnamese. 81.154.205.12 (talk) 01:02, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/beds/bucks/herts/8090259.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.182.33 (talk) 01:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you can find some sources that specifically mention that, I think that information can be added to the article. DHN (talk) 01:11, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I found a source that specifically mention that they are recent immigrants and have added it to the article. DHN (talk) 01:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7152709.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.205.12 (talk) 15:43, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The fractious nature of comments here suggests that people have lost their objectivity. I suggest that people read the operation keymer and pentameter papers more carefully. I have found it necessary to make changes, as the article previously did not accurately reflect what was known from these operations. Comments welcome - preferably before changes.--Tayray (talk) 16:04, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've reverted your changes. You did not cite a source to show that they're "famous for" these illegal activities. I think the wording that they've received coverage for these activities is more neutral. DHN (talk) 01:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have found it necessary to delete the last paragraph. It cites one article by a journalist which is in contradiction to official police papers. If the facts are in dispute then they should not be included. It is not appropraite to slander any group of people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.37.147 (talk) 00:12, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which police papers are you referring to? All the news sources cited above mention the Vietnamese as the main source of criminal cannabis-growing in the UK. DHN (talk) 01:11, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Papers for operations Keymer and Pentameter. No disagreement on cannabis growing but needs a better reference.There is no evidence of human trafficking. Gang activity is not a prominent area for Vs in UK. For example, the Met Police's list of gangs in London had no Vietnamese gangs.217.42.37.147 (talk) 14:25, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can't revert it wholesale if you disagree with one. I'm reinstating the statement about cannabis growing and clarifying the statement about human trafficking and gang. DHN (talk) 18:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dear user DHN, Perhaps I didn't make myself clear: I disagreed with each and every statement. You have reverted the content with only cosmetic changes. I prefer that we concentrate on agreeing on the future content, and that each agreed statement has a relevant reference.

Firstly, a statement of interest: I am English, have worked in Vietnam, speak moderate Vietnamese, and I have several friends in the London Vietnamese community. I read widely on matters relating to Vietnam, and the Vietnamese in the UK.

My concerns with your two sentences follow:

1. First sentence has the adjective "criminal" to describe cannabis growing. This doesn't seem to add anything - cannabis growing is known to be criminal. Would you use the adjective "legal" to describe stockbroking?

2. The single reference provided is to an article on human smuggling and does not provide any information to support the Vietnamese involvement in cannabis growing.

3. I have no idea why you blame certain activities on "recent economic migrants". If you wish this phrase to be included please provide a suitable reference.

4. "Some recent economic immigrants are also involved in gangs ..." I am sure this is true of all overseas communities, but you need a reference to support Vietnamese involvement in this, and to show that the Vietnamese are more prominent in this area than other communities. The evidence provide by the police in London suggests that Vietnamese are not active in gangs. For example "African-Caribbean gangs were described as the largest group, followed by south Asian and white gangs." from BBC page http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6383933.stm. I remember that none of the 169 gangs mentioned were Vietnamese, and I will add a supporting link here if I find it.

5. Some recent economic immigrants are also involved in ... human trafficking. This statement does not have a supporting reference. The supporting reference describes people smuggling which is very different. The police papers I mentioned earlier (links to follow) clearly support my position. If you believe UK Vietnamese are involved in trafficking then please state your reasons and provide good references.

I therefore propose the following paragraph to replace the current last paragrah. I would appreciate your comments on these.

Vietnamese people are well known in the United Kingdom for their involvement in cannabis growing (ref http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-487788/Police-scrap-crackdown-Vietnamese-drug-barons--racist.html), nail bars and restaurants (ref http://www.equal-works.com/resources/contentfiles/3850.pdf).

Comments here also apply to the separate article "Vietnamese people in the United Kingdom" Tayray (talk) 15:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objection to your proposed changes. DHN (talk) 16:51, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

" Would you use the adjective "legal" to describe stockbroking?"

Yes,, I would. There is an illegal form of stockbroking known as 'boiler-room'. I am afraid 217.42.37.147 is just not knowledgeable enough about stock-broking or the vietnamese in the UK. Unfortunately for British people, they now have a lot of evil vietnamese people in their midst who are determined to destroy British people's lives. 81.154.203.55 (talk) 23:05, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"First sentence has the adjective "criminal" to describe cannabis growing. This doesn't seem to add anything - cannabis growing is known to be criminal." Likewise as above, cannabis is grown legally in the UK and therefore non-criminally, under licence from the British Government for (1) hemp (fibre), (2) medicinal/scientific research and development. There is no evidence those vietnamese people hold a licence from the government to grow cannabis, and as such they are grown only for criminal purposes. 81.154.203.55 (talk) 23:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/10422480.stm 86.181.66.150 (talk) 01:38, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Firstly, a statement of interest: I am English, have worked in Vietnam, speak moderate Vietnamese, and I have several friends in the London Vietnamese community. I read widely on matters relating to Vietnam, and the Vietnamese in the UK."

Mr Englishman from above, if any of your vietnamese friends (or their friends) in the UK were in the cannabis business, do you think they'll tell you? Do you think the vietnamese will write down where and how they do their business for you to read? Just because you worked in vietnam, know a few vietnamese, does not make you a vietnamese. 81.154.203.55 (talk) 23:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vietnamese Americans the largest East Asian....[edit]

"The number of ethnic Vietnamese living in France is estimated to be around 300,000 as of 2006, making it the largest East Asian community in Europe and the second largest Vietnamese community outside Asia after the United States". Vietnam is not in East Asia, but Southeast Asia. Maybe Southeast Asia is part of East Asia, but that's not how most people view it, and not the definition on Wikipedia. An encyclopedia should have consistency Tridungvo 23:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vietnamese is considered as East Asian people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.170.220.191 (talk) 19:28, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, SE Asian people —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.85.217.76 (talk) 18:18, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vietnamese women marrying wealthy men?[edit]

The start of the article says: "They also include women who married wealthy men from Taiwan and South Korea through marriage agencies". I read one of the major reasons why so many South Korean men marry Vietnamese brides is because the Korean men are farmers, and Korean girls usually want to marry men from urban areas. Another factor, though not as important, is the shortage of women in Korea. I believe this to be true of Taiwanese men too. It's true they are 'wealthy' compared to Vietnamese standards, but they are not per definition wealthy. Tridungvo 02:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For the love of money.

No shortage of women in Taiwan or Korea. Just a shortage of women who want to marry farmers...Kransky (talk) 14:53, 30 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article organisation[edit]

I'd like to propose organising the "Vietnamese worldwide" section by time/topic. Rather than having one section for every country, instead, divide it up the following way, especially since the per-country articles are all linked from the navbar:

Pre-modern migration (Cambodia, and maybe migration to France during the colonial period)
Refugees from the aftermath of the Vietnam War (North America, Australia, Western Europe, Philippines, China, Hong Kong)
Migrants within the Communist bloc (Russia, Czechslovakia)
Finally, migration after the collapse of the Soviet Union (South Korea, any others?).

This is similar to what's been done at Korean diaspora. Any comments? cab 11:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, sounds good to me. However, refugees from the second category don't necessarily leave Vietnam before the collapse of the Soviet union. What's important is their cause of leaving. The people in the last category are economic migrants, who do plan to return to Vietnam after they've made their fortunes, while people in the second category have no intention of living in Vietnam under the current government. DHN 15:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A bit simplistic. There were refugees who fled the Communist regime in 1975, and then Chinese refugees who fled the pogroms in 1979. Family reunions started in the 1980s. The fall of the Communist block really didn't change much - improved living conditions from the late 1980s instead reduced emigration

Vietnamese people in Taiwan ???[edit]

Vietnamese people in Taiwan ??? Vietnamese people in Taiwan ??? Vietnamese people in Taiwan ??? Vietnamese people in Taiwan ??? Vietnamese people in Taiwan ??? Vietnamese people in Taiwan ??? Vietnamese people in Taiwan ??? --59.117.245.251 12:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ja:在台ベトナム人 ??? --59.117.245.251 13:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vietnamese-French??[edit]

Why isn't there a separate article on the French Vietnamese community? There are clearly more in France than anywhere else after the United States and Cambodia. There may be information lacking on exact numbers due to French law, but the hundreds of thousands of people involved clearly implies notability. Olockers (talk) 12:17, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vietnamese in Germany[edit]

According to a recently published study of the Berlin Institute, the number of people in Germany with a Vietnamese ethnic background is stated to be 19 percent of 730.000 (around 140.000). Sources: http://www.berlin-institut.org/selected-studies/unutilised-potentials.html and the direct link to study in German with the number of ethnic Vietnamese on page 23: http://www.berlin-institut.org/fileadmin/user_upload/Zuwanderung/Integration_RZ_online.pdf --87.78.195.91 (talk) 09:10, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Regarding the article: although the article is informative it uses language and statements which should not be in Wikipedia without quoting sources. I will only point out one: "Generally, overseas Vietnamese residing in North America, Western Europe, and Australia (which represent the vast majority of overseas Vietnamese populations) are unilaterally opposed to the existing government of Vietnam". Are there any surveys, are there hard data available to support this. Please consider rephrasing statements such as this as the article looses credibility. --Odisej (talk) 11:13, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This sentence makes no sense - "unilaterally" means 'of one side'. Kransky (talk) 14:03, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources added to the statements. DHN (talk) 20:41, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Synthesis[edit]

The text on the four (or five?) kinds of overseas Vietnamese is a rash over-simplification, and appaers to be unpublished synthesis. It ignores Vietnamese living in Cambodia and Laos, or those who emigrate to be reunited with an earlier "category" of Vietnamese. I would remove the paragraph, or rewrite it to describe the various reasons why Vietnamese have emigrated, but I would not want VNese pigeon-holed like this. Kransky (talk) 04:25, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Elsewhere[edit]

Removed entry, because a wikipedian provided a source that only 36, not a thousand Vietnamese registered in the 2001 Mexican census. The US-Mexican border was used by soem Vietnamese and other Asian immigrants to enter the US, but I have to be in agreement with the 36 Vietnamese (are they naturalized Mexican citizens?) and the tendency for not only Vietnamese but Chinese, Korean and Taiwanese in Mexico to relocate into their U.S. counterpart communities. In the early 1990's, a few America-bound ships from Chinaand Taiwan were escorted by the Mexican navy in the Pacific, and the Mexican government provided a temporary shelter for Chinese immigrants in Baja California, whom sought passage into the U.S. All the camp tenants were repatriated and returned to China, not given passage to the U.S. Some Vietnamese immigration went into Mexico, usually they live in close proximity to the Vietnamese communities in the Western U.S. such as San Diego, California in the border towns of Tijuana and Mexicali, Baja California. ^{[citation needed]} 71.102.12.55 (talk) 07:44, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Vietnamese in Poland --95.178.40.39 (talk) 13:48, 26 December 2011 (UTC) Only 10 000? The article says it's 30 000, but on the table only 10 000? It's inconsistent. There is a lot of Vietnamese in Poland.[reply]

From Polish wikipedia:

Nikt nie jest w stanie dokładnie policzyć polskich Wietnamczyków, choć wiadomo, że są najliczniejszą grupą cudzoziemców w Polsce. Badacze, np. dr Teresa Halik, oceniają ją na 20–30 tysięcy. Urząd ds. Repatriacji i Cudzoziemców sygnalizował w 2001 r., że liczba Wietnamczyków może przekraczać 40 tysięcy. Na pewno Wietnamczycy są największą grupą cudzoziemców zainteresowanych pozostaniem w Polsce. Ustępują im Ormianie, których jest ok. 20 tysięcy.

Świat polskich Wietnamczyków raczej się izoluje od społeczności polskiej. Asymiluje się powoli. Przybysze z Azji są jednak dobrze zorganizowani; mają swoje organizacje polityczne, stowarzyszenia, gazety, uruchomili szkoły, przedszkola, przymierzają się do budowy swojej pagody, choć wielu z nich przeszło na katolicyzm. Szybszej asymilacji podlegają Wietnamczycy wykształceni - absolwenci i studenci polskich szkół tworzący w swoich środowiskach elitę kulturalno-społeczną, często także i ekonomiczną. Przebywają w Polsce najdłużej, znają polski język i polskie realia, posiadają polskie obywatelstwo lub kartę stałego pobytu oraz są na ogół dobrze zintegrowani z polskim społeczeństwem. Dość często zdarza się, że ich żonami są Polki. Liczba pozwoleń na zamieszkanie na czas określony lub zezwoleń na osiedlenie się nie oddaje stanu rzeczy. Z kartą stałego pobytu szacuje się ich liczbę na około 20 tysięcy. Teresa Halik, wietnamolog, doktor z Zakładu Krajów Pozaeuropejskich PAN, ocenia ich liczbę na 40 tysięcy, a ksiądz Edward Osiecki, werbista - duszpasterz wietnamskich katolików szacuje ich liczbę na 60 tysięcy.

The number is from 20 000 to even 60 000.

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Chinese and other ethnic ancestry[edit]

This article largely fails to mention Hoa people, ethnic Chinese in Vietnam, who made up a large share of emigrants for various reasons. See this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoa_people#Departure_from_Vietnam:_1975%E2%80%931990.

The title and introduction of the article are also confusing regarding to whom it refers. Does this page only refer to ethnically Vietnamese (Minh) people outside of Vietnam or does it refer to any Vietnamese nationals outside Vietnam? Many host countries identify people only from national origin and would count any Chinese Vietnamese or other ethnic minorities as simply Vietnamese. So do the numbers abroad reflect ethnic Vietnamese, Vietnamese nationals, or different numbers depending on how each country measures it? This should be clarified throughout the article to avoid confusion. 128.239.50.168 (talk) 03:33, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Submit to remove the line about "vietnamese people who live in foreign lands" as it is already implicitly implied and does not need to be overstated. 14.202.224.147 (talk) 04:46, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Please specify which line you want to be removed. The lead sentence doesn't seem to be problematic to me (MOS:LEADSENTENCE). ◢ Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 05:48, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Generalization[edit]

@ZaDoraemonzu: While I appreciate some of the new information you're adding to the article, you tend to generalize added a lot of information that are not found in sources. First, the proportion of Vietnamese who are Christians in Western countries might be higher than those in Eastern Europe, but they are still a minority, so characterizing them as "most" is patently false. The same is the case for Vietnamese Americans' support for Trump. While some might support Trump, you have not cited any polls to indicate that they constitute a majority to fit your "most" characterization. Please revise your wordings to fit your sources, otherwise I will have to view your whole edit as POV-pushing. Also keep in mind to use reliable sources. Some random person's blog should not be used as a source. DHN (talk) 16:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Let me tell few thing. I can't say it is "most". But certainly there are a lot of pro-Trump sentiment among Vietnamese population in the United States. Trust me, my uncle, who traveled to the U.S., had reported about this sentiment before. You can find in Vietnamese channels, where it is bombarded with pro-Trump sentiment. Even in YouTube, Vietnamese Americans remain the most Trump loyalists. I have tried to find the best about this information, but I probably suggest you to read AAPI rating. I'll add into it as well. ZaDoraemonzu (talk) 17:26, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ZaDoraemonzu: You can't say "majority" or "most" if you can't cite any polls that indicates that and rely on your anecdata. Please remove those claims or provide sources for them. DHN (talk) 18:29, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As a casual observer, I also appreciate the information - the appearance of the South Vietnamese flag at the Capitol escaped my notice. It all makes sense (similar to anti-Castro sentiment in Miami); and something I didn't know about the diaspora. Lambjams (talk) 01:28, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Vietnamese diaspora clarification[edit]

The article refers to the overseas vietnamese who chose to stay in the respective countries when the warsaw pact collapsed as the "second largest group of the vietnamese diaspora". I think this doesn't fit the definition of diaspora at all and should be reworded. Diaspora implies that people were forced to leave their home country. This group of people is usually not meant when speaking of the vietnamese diaspora. There should be a sub section with detailed numbers about the vietnamese diaspora and possibly another sub section about the aftermath of the collapse of the warsaw pact. Qtng (talk) 10:32, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

diaspora

noun

the dispersion of the Jewish people beyond Israel.
- Jewish people living outside Israel.
- the dispersion or spread of any people from their original homeland. plural noun: diasporas "the diaspora of boat people from Asia"

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"Vietnamese people in China" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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Minor typo[edit]

"Economic migrants who work in other Asian countries such Taiwan, Japan and South Korea." Should be "Economic migrants who work in other Asian countries such asTaiwan, Japan and South Korea." 2603:6010:5A02:F700:159B:EE91:7D32:6C18 (talk) 00:36, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]