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Former good articleAlizée was one of the Music good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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March 16, 2006Peer reviewReviewed
June 14, 2006Good article nomineeListed
March 30, 2007Peer reviewReviewed
April 12, 2007Featured article candidateNot promoted
July 14, 2009Good article reassessmentDelisted
Current status: Delisted good article

Improve the English[edit]

The English in quite a few sections needs to be improved dramatically. I tried, but I ran into trouble and wasn't able to decipher what was intended in many cases. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DallyingLlama (talk • contribs) 21:13, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Internet Meme[edit]

She obviously became very popular thanks to youtube and reached a huge audience had never heard of her before. You have the Warcraft dance, animated gifs, ASCII art, more than 13000000 views for a single video etc. And it matches right about the time she revived her singing career. Coincidence? Well, I think her enormous internet and internet-based popularity somewhat deserve a mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.137.234 (talk) 14:48, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

> Alizée is from 2000, youtube started in 2005. --2A02:1812:128B:C600:29F9:22EF:8641:570F (talk) 23:46, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dance in World of Warcraft[edit]

Why is this important? This has more to do with the female night elves dance than with alizee.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.76.38 (talk) 18:27, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry guys, J'en Ai Marre is the inspiration for the female Night Elves' dance. http://www.wowwiki.com/Dancing --Super Bhaal 02:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The citation's at the bottom. It's number eleven, but the part that was supposed to have linked to it doesn't. I'm not touching any of that. If someone more experienced with that kind of thing wants to, they can go right ahead. --Super Bhaal 03:35, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I missed this. My mistake. (On a side note, what is up with this talk page....the formatting is....confusing. I'll provide instructions on your own talk page on how to provide the reference.
Okay, I fixed it. Not sure how reliable the source is, but at this point, I am going to quietly exist this article. TableManners 03:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Depends on the contributor. The guy in question only made three edits and they were all to the dance page. I checked the video and WoW Model Viewer and the moves are similar enough, so I guess it's right. --Super Bhaal 05:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It was listed twice, I removed the second occurrence. Anyways, there has been a lot of discussion over this (see archives). While the reference is kept, it is far from being a reliable source (plus the information is unencyclopedically trivial, but thats a different matter altogether). Any source with half an air of official authority should be preferred. --soum talk 08:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Signed. I guess I could ask around at the official forums, but I doubt I'd get a reply that matters. --Super Bhaal 11:35, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what idiot removed it from the article, but surely any fan would find it entertaining that they were enspired by Alizées dancing. And they clearly were, whilst I have yet to hear a designer actually say that - anyone who isn't halfblind and has tried world of warcraft(there is a free trial people!) can compare that dance to this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FclTTChYwk - and in case people don't know the wackos who make the game, it is so full of in jokes and pop culture references, from engineers making Firefly jokes, to Starwars, Anime - and in case anyone doubts they'd do that, on the 'making of DVD' for the expansion "The Burning Crusade" they mention how Britney Spears videos were the basis for the dance of the Blood Elf Females (slightly different race). It should be mentioned, its clearly 100% certain - even if we haven't had it mentioned in an interview yet. Someone should ask at Blizzcon! IceHunter (talk) 00:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Free image of Alizée[edit]

Since I last tried getting a free picture of Alizée, non-free images were twice placed and twice removed. Though it's an odd time to do so (with a whole bunch of press pictures coming soon), I'm going to go back on a lead I had, someone who took pictures at a concert. Could I be pointed in the direction of that contract template for people to licence their images freely? Eli espire 23:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Example requests for permission. Hope that helps, JACOPLANE • 2007-09-12 23:25

Image under Mes Courants Électriques sub[edit]

The image under this sub is not labelled correctly. The box says the image is from J'ai Pas Vingt Ans, while the image filename is InIAmFedUp, and the image description in the image page says it is from Moi... Lolita. Something needs to be fixed here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.100.160.175 (talk) 23:18, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The image description page error was a copy paste error. Sorry about that. Its fixed now. As for the image title, it was uploaded on top of an older image (which was from I'm Fed Up). This is a remnant of that. Ignore it. Go by the description in both the article and image pages. --soum talk 05:33, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge content from Talk:Alizée Search[edit]

I have created this discussion page, since there has recently been some discussion about the article.

Below you can find my response to the "{{dated prod}}" notice of Schaefer:

I understand that you are concerned whether the Alizée Search article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion. You gave the following three reasons in your edit summary:
  • Subject is a non-notable fan website.
The website is a specialized search engine, which is not a typical fan website. The innovation that the website represents is that "it was the first internet search engine to include favicons in its Web search results in 2006". This is an essential part of the article which sets Alizée Search apart from all other internet search engines. Without this fact I would not have started the article in the first place. This information should not be lost.
  • No references in reliable third-party sources.
There are not much reliable third-party sources in other articles about internet search engines, for examples see the List of search engines. This is probably caused by the fact that search engine algorithms are usually corporate property. This is no reason to deleted those other articles either.
  • Not even really a search engine, as you can only "search" for one term.
This would indeed be a good point, if it was not emphasized in the article itself. However, it is clearly mentioned in the text that "it is a specialized search engine based on a focused crawler for only the single keyword "Alizée Jacotey"".
Furthermore, I would like to add that the Alizée Search site is non-commercial and ad-free. I shall continue to contribute to improve the article on the raised issues and encourage others to do so too. Thanks. Ekna 16:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that it is the first search engine to incorporate favicons into its results is not verifiable by the reader. On whose authority are we to take this as true? I don't understand your objection that there can't be third-party sources because "search engine algorithms are usually corporate property". This would do nothing to prevent third-party sources from writing about the search engine. There are lots of articles (books, even) about Google though its search algorithm is corporate property. Also, the fact that other articles for search engines do not meet requirements for notability is no excuse for this one doing the same (see WP:WAX and WP:INN for details). The non-commercial nature of the website is not important. The issue is whether there exist independent, reliable, published sources that have written about Alizée Search that can be used to verify the information in this article. If there are not, the reader has no reason to believe any of its content, because it relies completely on the claims of the website in question. -- Schaefer (talk) 17:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge of the Alizee Search article[edit]

I do not think a biography is the place to promote others' works, even though the work might be about the subject herself. What information about the biography does the trivia provide? The info, IMO, does not belong here. --soum talk 15:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Psychédélices album art[edit]

Has the album art that is being used for Psychédélices been confirmed? Why is it being used here as if it were the confirmed album art? As far as i know, this was released by someone on a fan forum, but nothing has been confirmed. I don't think it belongs on Alizée page as well as Psychédélices page until we know it's the actual album art. Or perhaps one can put "unconfirmed album cover" instead of just declaring it the album cover. (Supermin99 17:46, 21 October 2007 (UTC))[reply]

You are right, we should not use it without official confirmation. --soum talk 17:55, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Psychédélices[edit]

The section, in its older self was nothing more than a timeline of disconnected info, without any flow or structure. It would have become unmaintainable in the long run. Plus, lot of the info concerned her hiatus which is also encyclopedically irrelevant now that the album has released. For this it was replaced with a different version, which brought it in line with other sections focussing on the album rather than the journey to it. It is better maintainable. If you see there is any problem with this, please feel free to point that out. --soum talk 18:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I took the liberty of cleaning it up a bit. Looks good. Lemon-lime (talk) 22:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Good work. --soum talk 03:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Any sales information? MahangaTalk 03:07, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
See Psychédélices. --soum talk 03:11, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Corrections for Tout Alizée[edit]

I've noticed a number of problems regarding Tour Alizée in all of its occurrences. First is that the album's name is "Tout Alizée," not just "Tout." Secondly, the writer made Universal look like a greedy blood-sucking company. While it is, we don't officially say that, so I'm going to take that off. There are other miscellaneous things that I'm going to correct. I just thought I'd let you guys (I guess mainly Soum and Jaco) know that it was me. [a later edit of this comment] I did some research, making sure that the name includes "Alizée." The charts site calls it Tout, the Mixup store calls it Tout Alizée, and Universal Mexico calls it Parler Tout Bas. I'm still going to change it, because (1) there is no clear distinction between artist and title on the cover, and if there was, the order of the words would be switched, (2) charts and other publications will often remove an artist's name from the album name to save space, just as was done with En Concert, and (3) for self-research, as Tout sounds silly and the album's been called Tout Alizée on the forums. Eli espire 21:07, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody change her photo, please[edit]

It's really terrific. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.52.16.91 (talk) 20:15, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really see what is so awful on it... But It was of course just a suggestion. If there is some real quality problem with the photos, then let me know, since I'm on travel and I can only use my laptop's bad TFT screen to verify the photos. New versions can be easily uploaded if problems are found. Either way, I have donated some more new photos for the free use on wiki : Alizée sur Wikipedia Commons -- RMJJRM (talk) 09:20, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alizee seems to be cracking down on videos on youtube in a big way

Alizee seems to be cracking down on videos on youtube in a big way[edit]

I'm hoping this is only the record company doing this and not her, if its her I would only say having sexy videos on youtube is not going to hurt the world the war does and that she shouldn't feel bad about bringing more love into the world, even if its not something you'd show your kids, us lonely guys thrive on the love in your eyes Alizee, please don't pull down the content on youtube. Please!!! 172.0.203.67 (talk) 15:45, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Alizee's hair style[edit]

It has been diocovered that Alizee's hair style is one of the hair style like the ones the beatle used to do. and i love it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.120.150.142 (talk) 16:32, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment[edit]

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Alizée/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

GA Sweeps: On hold[edit]

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing Sweeps to determine if the article should remain a Good article. I believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. However, in reviewing the article, I have found there are several issues that needs to be addressed.

Needs sources:

  1. "The aircraft was subsequently named after her, and Alizée won a trip to the Maldives for her efforts."
  2. "She went on to win the "Meilleure Graine" award for most promising young singing star of tomorrow." Also it would be best to put quotation marks around the name of the award.
  3. "In 2000, they produced her maiden album, Gourmandises which was a great success in France, Germany, Mexico, England and the rest of the United Kingdom."
  4. "She is a supporter of AC Ajaccio (Corsica), and was once invited to kick off one of their matches."
  5. "They were married on November 6, 2003..." This has been tagged since March 2008.
  6. "The album reached top five in charts in France, Germany, Mexico, Asian countries and others."
  7. "Alizée has sold nearly five million albums & singles around the globe." Also remove the ampersand.
  8. "In addition, she is also very popular in parts of Asia including Russia, India, China and Japan."
  9. "It sold 200,000 copies in France."

Other issues:

  1. "She has since released three studio albums - first two of which were..." If emdashes are going to be used, then this one should also be an emdash. Fix the other occurrences in the article.
  2. "The couple had their first child on April 28, 2005—a girl they named Annily. She currently resides in Paris, France." Does the entire family or just Annily reside in Paris? Specify to prevent any confusion.
  3. "It went on to become a hit both in Europe and outside." Reword "outside" to be more specific.
  4. "More recently, she has been becoming just as popular in North America as she is in much of Europe; the latest concert tours together with earlier promotion leading to a very strong fan base in mainly The United States of America and in Mexico." This sentence should be reworded.
  5. The album covers should be removed from the article. They look like they are being used for decorative purposes. Unless specific text in the article comments on the album cover, then they should be removed. Readers can always visit the articles on the albums to see the covers.
  6. "The video was shot in a studio in Brussels—which had a 25 metre by 10 metre painted canvas to serve as the background—with real bubbles." Measurements should include conversions. Fix all other occurrences.
  7. Songs should not be italicized. Place them in quotation marks instead.
  8. "En concert has a Gold certification for shipments over 50,000 copies only in Mexico. [20]" "En Concert" should be italicized and the inline citation should directly follow the punctuation.
  9. "After a four year hiatus..." "four-year"
  10. "For the purposes of promotion of the single and the music videos, a website (www.psychedeclips.com) and a MySpace page (www.myspace.com/psychedeclips) were created.[34]." The external links should not be present within the article. Move them to the external links section if they are relevant.
  11. "In March 2008 Alizée visited México for the first time in a short promotional tour, on March 5 she was supposed to hold her second ever public autograph session of her career but it was cancelled due to problems with the store's security, Alizée held an improvised press conference to apologise with Mexico and all her fans as well as stating it was not her fault." This should be split into two sentences.
  12. "Sony BMG México also released an statement saying it was not Alizée's fault, and it was the store who had problems with the security and they didn't expect..." Contractions should not be used in the article unless it is part of a quote. Fix all other occurrences.
  13. "Alizée also promised to mend this by having another autograph session by the time she visits the country later this year." Specify which year.
  14. The references mostly only include the title and access date. These need to be expanded to include author, date, publisher, etc. The citation templates at WP:CITET can help with formatting the parameters.
  15. The article has multiple dead links that need to be fixed. The Internet Archive can help.

This article covers the topic well. I will leave the article on hold for seven days, but if progress is being made and an extension is needed, one may be given. If no progress is made, the article may be delisted, which can then later be renominated at WP:GAN. I'll contact all of the main contributors and related WikiProjects so the workload can be shared. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 01:01, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Sweeps: Delisted[edit]

The article has been on hold for a week and no improvements were made. As a result I have delisted the article as it still has a way to go before meeting the GA criteria. Continue to improve the article, addressing the issues above. Once they are addressed, please renominate the article at WP:GAN. I look forward to seeing the further improvement of the article, and don't hesitate to contact me if you need assistance with any of these. If you disagree with this review, a community consensus can be reached at WP:GAR. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 21:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Corsican NOT French[edit]

She is Corsican not French just like Napoleon, stop putting French people|French when she is Corsican. --GeordieWikiEditor (talk) 12:19, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Corsica is a region of France. What Corsica is to France is no different than what California is to the United States. What’s next, are you going to say that Kate Hudson is not American, but rather she’s Californian? Or how about Al Pacino? He is not American. Heck, he's a New Yorker. I can go international. Hugh Jackman is not Australian. He’s a New South Welshman. Baseball great Ichiro Suzuki. He’s not Japanese. He’s Aichian. The rock band U2. They’re not Irish. They’re bloody Dubliners. Celine Dion? She’s not Canadian. She’s a Quebecker. Get your facts straight, people. I can go on and on, but I made my point.
What makes Alizée any different from all the people and groups who I just mention above to the point that she cannot be classified by her country of orgin, but rather her region of origin, a region which I’m pretty certain a vast majority of English readers will not know anything about.
Bottom line, on the English Wikipedia page, where it’s read my mostly Americans and Englishmen, Alizée is a “French” singer, and that’s how she’ll remain classified as on here. Fourviz (talk) 13:50, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Corsica is not part of the mainland France therefore she is not French, all the rest of the ones you made are still part of that country, Corsica is not part of France. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeordieWikiEditor (talk • contribs) 16:45, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The same rules apply. If you want to play it that way, then explain Hawaii. It's not part of mainland United States, yet it is still part of the United States. People from there are still called Americans, as well as Hawaiians. The President of the United States was born there. Let see how your argument on him plays out.
"Hey!!! Barack Obama is not American. He's Hawaiian. He shouldn't have run for President in the first place. Are you people insane? Now the United States is run by a foreigner."
Give it up, buddy. Your agrument on Alizée and Corsica isn't strong enough to hold. Fourviz (talk) 21:57, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So Corsicans are considered French? --GeordieWikiEditor (talk) 02:52, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Corsica is region, one of 26 that make up the country of France. It doesn’t matter if it is part of its country’s mainland or not. Look at Hawaii and Alaska. If you were to say "Hawaii and Alaska are not part of the United States," you would make yourself sound like (for lack of a better word) an idiot. Just like you are doing right now when you say that "Corsica is not part of France." When you describe a person’s nationality on Wikipedia, it is by their country of origin. All the things you have said about Alizée and Corsica are wrong. Corsica is NOT a country. It is a region of France. Therefore, Corsica IS a part of France. And to answer your question...Corsicans ARE considered French. Alizée IS a “French” singer. PERIOD! Give it a rest! Fourviz (talk) 14:15, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Corsica might be a region of France but the people on Corsica are Corsicans not French. Nap--GeordieWikiEditor (talk) 23:53, 31 March 2011 (UTC)oleon was not French he was Corsican. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeordieWikiEditor (talk • contribs) 23:47, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand this bizarre perspective of yours. Corsica is undeniably part of France. Therefore any Corsican is also French. What is the point of this petty nonsense? --Xcuref1endx (talk) 21:40, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.corsica-isula.com/faq.htm

What’s next? You’re going to say that people from either Hawaii or Alaska are Hawaiians or Alaskans, and not Americans? Let me ask you this question. ARE YOU from Corsica? Judging by your edit logs and inputs you have wrote so far, you seem to get so offended whenever somebody link Corsicans to French. Do you have something against the French? Are you pissed off that France controls Corsica? Whatever it is, you need to put all biased personal feelings and pride aside that you have of this matter. This website is at public encyclopedia, not an open forum blog or chat room where anybody can just put whatever they feel like putting on here. And this web link you have provided, all it does is support all the statements that I have said about France and Corsica, while at the same time derailing all of your statements. People from Hawaii are Hawaiians as well as Americans. People from Alaska are Alaskans as well as Americans. People from Prince Edward Island are called Prince Edward Islanders as well as Canadians. People from Sardinia are called Sardians as well as Italians. And people from Corsica are called Corsicans AS WELL AS French. You should give it up right now. All that you’re doing right now on here is digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself to the point where you will not be able to get out of. Fourviz (talk) 13:23, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to me that you have little chip on your shoulder about when someone is questioning whether Corsicans are French or not, Corsica is part of France but before Napoleon's birth Corsica was part of Italy and also one stage Corsica was an independent republic so therefore the people from Corsica are Corsican not French, do a few google searches you will see lots of people state "Napoleon was not French he was Corsican"--92.238.166.81 (talk) 19:56, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry buster, she's a French Corsican, if you can't tell that she looks French. then you are a fool! She might have some Italina in her, but her looks are overwhealmingly French.71.58.198.190 (talk) 04:41, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Some people here need really to have more information about France. Corsica is a region of France, as well as Alsace, Britanny or Savoie is (those regions are even part of France since shorter times than Corsica is. If the person who consider than being from Corsica makes a person non-french, then why not saying that Obama is not American but Hawaiian; that Tom Jones is not British but Welsh; etc... French is a nationality, not a DNA category. Alize, like all other people born in Corsica has french nationality, (and has french language and culture as her native language like most corsicans do), so she's french, that all. Even if we should think in terms of pure "ancestry" to define what nationality she is (and excluding Corsica for some obscure "ethnic" reasons), she would still be french, in pure terms of ancestry she is not even "pure Corsican", since her family name "Jacotey" is a name originary from Burgondy, in north/central/east of France... If you have a doubt I can assure you that she looks completly french, France is a mediterranean country since 2000 years ago (at least in part), like it or not, having a mediterranean look in France is being looking completly "local", even in the northern half of the country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.24.111.88 (talk) 17:26, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Judging from how the french deal with arabs by forcing them to remove their head scarfs, it wouldn't surprise me just how racist the French are with their own people, considering also that they were neutral during WWII as well.. Lots of people are racist, blacks hate hispanics, white pretend to like black people but I know that is far from the truth though they've avoided using the N-word, it's all a matter of preference and familiarity, at least the french are admitting of it when it occurs.. Here in america people treat the human trait as something of a bad word.. Either everyone lives together, or we distrust the unfamiliar.. --108.225.93.128 (talk) 06:55, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

New for 2012[edit]

It's good to see this article being expanded and updated to reflect the renewed interest in Alizée and the hoped-for revitalisation of her career. Some of the English is a bit "approximate" and would benefit from some tidying up, and the 2000 - 2007 logo is not quite right (the correct one is somewhat cleaner and less jagged). All in all these are welcome developments.JLC2011 (talk) 11:59, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The changes should be carefully revised. There seems to be lots of inaccuracies and even misinformation. Obviously without any references. The new changes are in no way objectively written, which it should be in wikipedia. Personal opinions has no place in the article. Also the new changes does not follow the article's old formatting (I fixed some of it already). Over use of images can be considered bad also, as their are not supposed to be decorative objects. RMJJRM (talk) 18:10, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life[edit]

There have been MAJOR CHANGES in the subject's life since the comments below were written. Most notably, she has separated from her daughter's father. She and their girl now live in Ajaccio, while he has remained in metro Paris. In recent television interviews, she states that she will no longer be silent about her intimate life, as was her long-held custom, and frankly states that her latest album, 5, is in no small way autobiographical and a form of psychological self-therapy.

The section "Personal life" lacks many important and well-known details. I attempted to provide these in the revision [here]. But this section was rolled back wholesale by [Mrmatiko], including TOTALLY uncontestable facts like the birthday of the artist's only child! I am happy to discuss any material about which there are questions, and can provide citations as may prove necessary. Should Mrmatiko have no further interest in my changes, I will restore them two weeks following this entreaty for his kind engagement, should it go unanswered. I also welcome the informed commentary of others on my proposed changes. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.152.74.194 (talk) 16:07, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My reason for reverting the edits is that they were written in such an informal tone, without any references (for the most part) that it seemed nothing was salvageable. The small amount of information that was actually sourced, happened to be completely unnecessary for a Wikipedia article. Do we really need to note everything she said in an interview? I also reverted the first edit, changing forename to prénom, because this is rarely used and potentially confusing. -- Mrmatiko (talk) 16:03, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First, many thanks for the courtesy of a prompt reply; I hope you don't embarrass me in this regard given the many other demands on my time.

Regarding "forename" vs. "prénom": NEITHER is needed, so let's use: "Alizée Jacotey (French pronunciation: [a.li.ze]; born 21 August 1984) is a French singer, known professionally as Alizée[1], a registered trade name." 

That seems like an improvement. Actually I think it would be fine without "a registered trade name",
which seems a bit redundant after "known professionally as"

Regarding "informal tone." Is it because I am a Yank and you are a home county Brit that our literary styles differ? That said, let me observe that even Brits like the late George Orwell had no love for pointlessly abstract expression. Like him I prefer:

"I returned and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all."

to the "modern":

"Objective considerations of contemporary phenomena compel the conclusion that success or failure in competitive activities exhibits no tendency to be commensurate with innate capacity, but that a considerable element of the unpredictable must invariably be taken into account."

Isn't it unfair to damn the veracity of material based on the style of its expression, rather than the facts? 

Yes, it is fair to "damn the veracity of material based on the style, ... rather than the facts" 
because the style can change previously neutral phrasing in to something that isn't.

Regarding "the small amount of information that was actually sourced": You are complaining to the wrong party. All of this is pre-existing material I simply reused. But I would disagree with you about its relevance: I strongly feel that personality and artistic tastes are integral to the public image which make Alizée appealing to her fans. Please understand that in introducing her to the public, Mylène Farmer carefully engineered this image as part of the whole artistic enterprise; Alizée is not just a "sound," she is an "experience." 

If you reused existing material (I'm assuming you mean for reference purposes) then you need
to cite it within the article. Preferably using the inline references that are 
currently used in this article.

Regarding the length of a Wikipedia article: While brevity does remain the soul of wit, in the digital age there is NO reason to place virtually any limit on the size of the text, if the density of germane information remains high. (There is no point to mindlessly follow the economics of the printing-based age!) Of course, one should respect the needs of the reader as well, whose interest may be shallow. Obviously, one can do this by structuring material hierarchically. Hyperlinks allow one to immediately jump to any subsection at once. 

It isn't so much the length as giving undue weight to little things that have 
no lasting encyclopedic merit. This is particularly important for articles about living people
because adding things that have no historical importance can have serious real world impacts. 
For example there was another article (I thought it was this one, but apparently not) where something
pointed to their home address and they had experience real life problems due to this. It wasn't on 
Wikipedia but because we linked to it they requested it's removal, something that was done to prevent
Wikipedia being involved in such an issue.

Now, on to the actual new material I added to the article. Given infinite time, I can provide lots of references for my assertions. But like all of us, my time is limited. What density would placate you?

Further, if one should be skeptical about the texts of the for-profit entertainment press, how much more should one question the rot which so often decorates fan forum postings! While there is nothing to compel an entertainer to tell the truth, at least when one watches video of them, (at least for now) one can be certain of the source. I have a very keen long-term memory, and it serves me better than scanning through hour after hour of interviews to generate a compelling link to a video file and time offset - at least until computers do much better at searching spoken words.

I suppose I know as much about Alizée as all the other entertainers I've encountered put together, largely because she is a creature of the Internet Age. If you don't know enough about the statements I make to claim they are untrue, why not leave it to other knowledgeable article contributors who can contest them, calling for sources to be produced? Do you really need the names of the dogs? (I can produce them.) Do you really need their photos? (Ditto.)

To engage you constructively, let me now annotate my original material with an outline of sources, sparing for now the great labor of digging them out. 

The important thing is to have verifiable sources that are considered to be reliable.
This is related to what I mentioned before about avoiding real-world harm to living people, but is 
also essential for ensuring that anyone can verify the alleged "facts" we place before them. Unlike 
a traditional encyclopedia, Wikipedia publishes sources so that people can determine for themselves 
whether what we say is true or not. This means that anything that is likely to be even remotely 
controversial needs a source. These sources must be published, which is why your personal experience 
is not an acceptable method of sourcing your contributors.

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"Young Alizée charmed the public by combining her sexy Lolita professional stance with a 'squeaky-clean public image as the perfect teenager.'[3]"

- This is a simple rewrite of an anomolously oxymoronic antecedent. 

This definitely shouldn't be included, it is both non-neutral, potentially harmful (the comparison with 
Lolita is seriously problematic) and the tone is very informal.

- No, no, no. The comparison with Lolita is ABSOLUTELY NOT in the most INFINITESMAL way problematic! Do you know why? The artist's most popular single, which shattered a French music industry record, and made her a household word throughout France (and beyond) at the dawn of the century was "Moi... Lolita" which means "Me... Lolita"!!! The lyrics quote DIRECTLY from the Nabokov novel. Her mentor, Farmer, had her hold up a copy of the book in TV interviews, so that even the very thickest person would understand the reference. You obviously lack even the most microscopic acquaintance with the subject of this article. Why on earth are you involved with it? It becomes ever more problematic to refute the impression that you are a troll. Can you think of a good reason that everyone shouldn't just ignore you?

AGREED. THE TROLL COULD NOT BE MORE PROFOUNDLY IGNORANT OF THE SUBJECT!

"She remains very sentimental about her family, relatives, and Corsican homeland, although she is selectively private about incorporating them into her public image."

- A few examples: (How does one prove this save by many examples???) - 1. In a Paris restaurant video interview, (find a translated copy at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU9ih0OPfaI ) she spoke at great length about her decision to have a child early, and told us, with numerical precision, how this is a family tradition, generations long. - 2. In a video set in home town Ajaccio, she chats with her grandmother about her decision to have a career hiatus and shows us her high school. - 3. After an embargo due to the child's youth, early last year she started to show snapshots and videos of her daughter, including a performance of a group of children she led on French TV. - 4. Another stand-alone video has her sing the praises of an archipelago of islands at the far western reaches of the bay on which she was born and raised. - 5. Late last year she publishes photos of herself at her childhood dance school, and many of her hanging out around town with one of its instructors. 

You don't prove it because it is something that should only be included if it has been explicitly 
stated in reliable sources, which doesn't seem to be the case here.

"Alizée is a feminist 'from her head to her toes' and politely voices her support of sexual minorities, embracing typical Bobo ('bourgeois bohemian') ideals. Like her one-time professional mentor Mylène Farmer, she has many lesbian fans."

- The quote is from an interview she gave the LGBT French periodical "Tetu" (named after the mock-lesbian superstar Russian duo sindgers of that name). When she held two and only two Paris autograph sessions for her 2010 album, one was for the general public, and another just for her gay fans. You can easily find photos of her in rainbow colored garb, signaling support for the LGBT community. In a "director's cut" of the "Mademoiselle Julliette" video, she kisses another woman. 

The sources actually need to be provided here. You are making statements about her politics and
therefore this is potentially controversial, therefore sources are essential to avoid problems.

"Alizée married fellow emerging French singer Jérémy Chatelain in late 2003, by whom she has a daughter, Annily, born Apr 28, 2005."

- How hard do you think it is to prove this one way or the other? 

This would be very useful in the article, but if it isn't that hard to prove then where is the source?
This is a personal thing and therefore needs to have been covered somewhere else first.

"The couple are fond of miniature dogs and golf."

-As a teen, in a television show called "Une heure avec Alizée," she relates that her dream of owning a toy dog has at last been requited. (In the same interview, she tells us that "Fee Clochette" (Tinkerbell to anglophones) has always been her mascot, that statuettes of her are hard to find, but that she has them "everywhere" ("Partout, partout"); see below.) Some time later we learned that the couple each have their own dog, viz. "Topaze" for Alizée and "Punkie" for Jeremy. Last year, Alizée published many photos of herself with her new dog, a Chihuahua named "Galak" after the famous white chocolate brand. In a video interview leading to the release of UEdS, Alizée spoke at length on how the couple love golf, and how even their daughter tries to play. As it happens, they live in a community set on a golf course, but I will defend their privacy here by declining to locate it for you. 

This should not be in the article because it is such a trivial little detail that it has
no lasting historical merit and is inappropriate for a Wikipedia article.

"They favor a punk aesthetic, naming their production company Sir Sid after the late Sex Pistols bassist Sid Vicious."

-The firm name appears on the recordings and can be looked up in the French business courts. Jeremy gave a lengthy interview in which he explained his embrace of the punk aesthetic. (Note also his dog was named Punkie.) You can find a photo of Alizee with a razor blade necklace, and she is a fan of Blondie. While her signature store was open, it sold a teeshirt she designed reading "Doctor Alizee" which recalled the infamous session in which Blondie's Deborah Harry performed bottomless, wearing a very similarly designed shirt reading "Doctor X". 

If there is a source for the influence for the company name then that should be in there, but
the "they favour a punk aesthetic" bit shouldn't because it is just unnecessary commentary and 
makes assumptions based on the fact that is stated later; we have a saying (I don't know whether it is 
UK specific though I suspect not) that when you Assume, you make an "ass" of "u" and "me". Which 
seems to apply quite well to sourcing and formal tone of Wikipedia articles.

"Alizée's background is Catholic, while Châtelain's is Jewish, helping to explain the couple's 'spontaneous' marriage ceremony in Las Vegas, conveniently far from any European relatives anxious about religion. While Alizée is based in greater Paris, she frequents her Corsican hometown, Ajaccio, a glamorous tourist magnet where it is possible to visit friends and family and enjoy the water sports she so loved as a youngster."

- In an early interview, Alizée related receiving catechism instruction, but went on to diplomatically remark that "she does not say all her prayers." She never mentions God or religion, and publishes no photos of herself attending church. She might hang a razor blade from her neck, but never a crucifix.

(Starting in 2012, she sometimes wears a very small crucifix on a bracelet or necklace. The music video for ACdl'A features a quick shot of a church crucifix on her native Corsica. Her busy Instagram feed has at least once included a photo of a processional Madonna statue, so common in the European Mediterranean islands.)

On her Web sites, she wishes fans happy Christmas and Easter, (as well as happy Mother's Day) but many non-religious people do that as well. She helps produce an annual Christmas song, but if it mentions anyone, it is Santa Claus, and never Jesus. (In keeping with a common tradition, the songwriter is Jewish!) Her grandmother was one of the first woman fishingpeople on Corsica, where an annual custom in Ajaccio has a priest bless the fishing fleet in a colorful ceremony, popular with tourists. Alizée was a "sponsor" of this event in 2010. In an interview, Jeremy related how he use to keep Yom Kippur (the most important Jewish holiday) until his mother died. (She died of cancer.) But no Chai or Magen-David was ever seen around his neck. The couple enjoy Las Vegas, and Alizée herself told us of their 'spontaneous' marriage there. (An interesting speculation (i.e. NOT fact) I censored myself from adding is that the fancy for Las Vegas may stem from the fact that Alizée's high school was a VERY short walk from the only legal gamble casino in Ajaccio! Ah, the appeal of the forbidden!) 

Again, part of this is fine, "Alizée comes from a catholic background[citation needed] and Châtelain is Jewish.[citation needed] 
They were married in Las Vegas[citation needed]." though it needs sourcing. Mentioning she is based in Greater Paris 
and that her hometown is the Coursican town of Ajaccio would also be fine. It is possible to make this 
interesting without unnecessary commentary.

"Like many of her generation, Alizée sports multiple head piercings, and is particularly fond of her growing collection of tattoos, the largest of which is the one of Disney's rendering of Tinkerbell covering much of her upper back. Tinkerbell has been Alizée's 'mascot' since her earliest years, and she has a large collection of such statuettes."

- Look at any of numerous photos to prove non-traditional ear piercing, a tongue piercing, and tattoos including a lizard, her husband's name written in Hebrew letters ("Jeremiah"), her daughter in Manga style, the phrase "Forever Young," as well as the others cited here. See above for the statuettes. 

This just shouldn't be in the article unless her piercings/tattoos are specifically mentioned by other 
sources.

"She admires the artistry of both Walt Disney and Andy Warhol, and is fond of Japanese Manga. Her lastest tattoo is of Sailor Moon, nominally a mainstream 14-year-old cartoon character, which has also inspired a large and tolerated 'underground' Internet presence as Lolicon Hentai Manga, a manifest reference to Alizée's profesional origin as France's famous fin de siècle Lolita."

- In a television interview, Alizée categorically stated her great esteem for Walt Disney. Add to that the huge Tinkerbell tattoo and statue collection, the fact that she performed at Paris Disney, and some here-censored details about her metro Paris domicile. She has repeated stated her fancy for Manga and now even has two Manga tattos, easily evidenced with photos. Her fascination with the Warhol world led her to risk making an entire 'concept' album focused on one of its number, even at the risk of alienating many fans with its musical style leap. 

If these things influenced her career/life significantly they can be mentioned (with sources) 
as being influences, otherwise it shouldn't really be in the article especially with the
flowery tone.

This singer just got a Minnie Mouse tattoo, which seems to back up
the claim she is into Disney. See http://i.imgur.com/xIbHl.jpg Is it
really necessary to link to a photo?

"Professionally, Alizée has conspicuously abstained from even the casual partial nudity common on European beaches, much less the very sexualized nudity growing increasingly common among young female singers with such an erotic image. This has led a noisy minority of non-francophone fans to curiously idealize her as a puritanical throwback."

- You cannot find an UNFAKED photo of Alizée so dressed that she could not visit any public beach in the United States attired that way. This is in stark contrast to examples like Lady Gaga, Britney Spears, Madonna, Mylène Farmer, ad naseum. If compelled to cite sources, the only thing I could do would be to link photos of OTHER entertainers! It is easy to find many lay English postings about Alizée, incorrectly deducing that means she could never like Jay-Z (she does), she could never like songs with "fuck" in it (she does, e.g. Lily Allen's "Fuck You" and Britney Spears' "If You See Amy"), she could never support gays (she does), she did not understand the double entendres in the songs she first song commercially (she did), etc. 

This must not be in the article because of it's negativity towards other singers and the 
inevitable issues that come from discussing  living people.

I hope the detail of my response marks my sincerity, and that you will not lobby to squelch the text I propose for my want of unlimited time to document every last clause. Again, why not let someone knowledgeable argue the contrary, and then let's resort to the sources. Hundreds of thousands of people "follow" Alizée on Twitter! Surely more than a few know English, even if many such sadly lack any knowledge of French. Thanks for your continuing kind consideration, [Mrmatiko]

I've interleaved my responses, if you need any points clarified then just ask here. The most important things are: if anything is even slightly controversial then it needs a source and informal tone introduces neutrality issues. -- Mrmatiko (talk) 16:15, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Article needs editing by someone who speaks English[edit]

Could someone who speaks English fix all the mistakes in the article? 66.74.148.20 (talk) 06:15, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried but it would take a long time to do the job properly! A certain amount of non-native English phraseology can be quite endearing, especially as the article relates to a French artiste (and many of her most ardent and well-informed fans are non-native English speakers themselves), but ironing out all the real gibberish would take a lot longer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.119.138 (talk) 13:48, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have noticed some of the headlines were a bit....strange. I had changed those. Are there any sections in particular that you feel need a going over? --Xcuref1endx (talk) 21:41, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Influences[edit]

I know that Edie Sedgwick has been stated as an influence to her for Une enfant du siècle, however, I am unfamiliar with Andy Warhol being a influence. Are there any links or sources that point to Warhol being an influence? --Xcuref1endx (talk) 23:24, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Vocal Type/Range[edit]

The article asserts that Alizée has a mezzo-soprano voice. The citation given is spurious. While the cited article mentions her vocal register and timbre, it does not specify her voice as mezzo-soprano or even substantially suggest it is so. Original research indicates she is a contralto, and while this cannot be relied upon for this article, it calls the original assertion into question. I suggest that any assertion as to the exact character of her voice be omitted until a more reliable source can be found for citation.74.70.207.12 (talk) 05:32, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Alizée/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

A detailed review (but somewhat old) is at Talk:Alizée/Review. If possible, work on the review. --soum (0_o) 21:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC) Its improved much since becoming a GA. --61.95.254.214 06:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Public image: irrelevant/unencylopedic sentence?[edit]

The first paragraph of the "Public Image" subsection contains the following sentence: "Her hairstyle was usually a simple bob and her make-up was designed to emphasize and enhance her natural beauty."

It has no citation.

This sentence feels subjective and/or not encyclopedic in nature, especially the second part ("her make-up was designed to emphasize and enhance her natural beauty. ").

I'm not well-versed in Wikipedia practices, so I did not take the initiative to remove it or modify it. It'd be great if someone who knew what they were doing could make a decision here. 185.228.231.7 (talk) 02:55, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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