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Untitled[edit]

Is this really something that merits an encyclopedia entry? What information could possibly elevate it from substub status? Junkyardprince | Tark 00:29, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps an account of its role as a technical term in dramaturgy, if I am right in guessing that it may be so regarded. Michael Hardy 19:21, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Major revision[edit]

Merged the two former sections 'History of usage ..." and "Current usage ..." since the distinction between the two wasn't very clear. Also, many of the paragraphs did not cite any references. Also moved the "Male" and "Female responses..." forward in the article; seems like a better fit. Since catfights in the cinema are a major part of the catfight topic, created a new section that lists notable catfight scenes from motion pictures. Hope this works for everyone.Vortex4id (talk) 07:22, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Seinfeld reference[edit]

This section was recently added to the article. I do not think it is relevant to the article. It adds neither color nor clarity to the article and does not expand the reader's understanding. One comedian's hypothesis about an unproven "sexual attraction" to catfights is hardly authoritative. Pulling the section to here for discussion. Rossami (talk) 05:27, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Not sure what you mean by authoritative, it's not supposed to be. With better context, this quote will be returned to the article. The 156th episode of Seinfeld revolved around the theme or idea of a cat fight. Overall, there is plenty of room for expansion: (1) The differences between cat "fight" and cat "play" could be explained in greater detail, not to mention (2) a more in depth look at cat fights (in the non literal sense) between two human females. There is also room to look into (3) the interest of cat fighting within the adult film industry. Feel free to take a stab at any one of these if you have the time. —RaD Man (talk) 16:11, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The subject of a cat fight was one the key elements of the TV sitcom Seinfeld episode number 156, The Summer of George:

Elaine: Ok, why? Why do guys do this? What is so appealing to men about a cat fight?
Kramer: Yeye cat fight!
Jerry: Because men think if women are grabbing and clawing at each other there's a chance they might somehow kiss.

(Source: Seinfeldscripts.com.)


Latifa twice[edit]

Perhaps combine the seperate mentionings of Latifa into one.

I'm planning on condensing the whole section into something that actually resembles writing instead of a list at some point. --Malthusian (talk) 23:08, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

An American fascination?[edit]

I've read and heard about men supposedly being fascinated with catfights, but somehow neither me nor anybody I know locally seems to be able to back that claim up by example.

Other than catfights involving two women in movement, there doesn't seem anything particularily interesting about it to me. Yet, it's something men are supposed to be interested in according to many American tv shows I've seen. Also, there are commercial websites distributing catfight videos alongside hardcore pornography.

Is it uniquely American, is the American media exaggerating the prevalence of the phenomenon (as usual), or are the other male people I know and me just the exception to the rule? — Ashmodai (talk · contribs) 20:13, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Could be an American forte because many American women are more assertive - hard to say. Catfight fever is definitely not a creation of the news media. The preoccupation with catfighting in the entertainment media is driven by the fact that it's appealing or interesting to men and women on different levels. Not being turned on by a good catfight is like not being turned on by a beautiful woman licking her lips.
This is not true. Britain has a huge catfighting industry and features catfights on many of their shows. Also I have seen alot of Catfight video and related products come out of Europe and Japan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by D4tress (talk • contribs) 12:34, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I also believe this phenomenon to be US/UK-centric. I find the idea that this is "tittilating for men" to be a generalization, because I'm from a country where this phenomenon does not occur in the least. Can somebody confirm what the sources say in regards to this sweeping generalization about men, and whether or not they only cite examples from highly capitalist/industrial societies like the US/UK and maybe even JP, or if this is something that "all men" actually enjoy in the way that hthe article suggests?

Google for "Sweden catfight" "About 330,000 results". (Less than a tenth of the UK total, of course.) Hcobb (talk) 14:39, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Festelle, German Mat Club, Danube Women's Wrestling, APL-Portugal ... the biggest purveyors of catfight material are based in Europe ...Vortex4id (talk) 02:36, 28 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion vs Facts[edit]

How far can we go within this topic in terms of opinion vs facts? Stating whether a particular company is good or bad?, or if particular models used are pretty or not? Where are the lines drawn? —Preceding unsigned comment added by D4tress (talk • contribs) 11:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

www.fscclub.com/main/main.shtml link is not SPAM[edit]

THis site is a research site about women who fight including, catfights, wrestling and Martial Arts.

It is not commercial in that it SELLS NOTHING!

Please stop deleting the link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by D4tress (talk • contribs) 13:31, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Commecial or otherwise. We aren't here to push your fetish clubs with personal essays and stories. This isn't the place for it. Montco (talk) 02:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is a research site. If you feel that the subject in and of itself is a Fetish, then by your clasification it should not be listed on wikipedia at all along with many other topics. I understand why for profit is considered SPAM but this site is not selling anything.

I recommend the WP external link guidelines. THis link in my opinion fails on several levels including pushing any website links including blogs and forums and links to unverifiable research. If you do not agree, there are administrators including User:Hu12 who spend more time on wikispamming issues and can be contacted for a second opinion. Montco (talk) 16:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the information. I will follow up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by D4tress (talk • contribs) 11:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A few things;

All that is fine and good but please specify how this link is spam since it has useful relevant information and is not for profit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by D4tress (talk • contribs) 16:49, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

semi-protection[edit]

I've semi protected this article for one week due to multiple IP's spamming a book/reference.

  • "Wündsch, Frank: "Bier, Geld und Tomaten". The author describes in one chapter of this novel a wrestling match between a black and a white woman. In German. www.engelsdorfer-verlag.de, Leipzig 2008. "


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This is also occuring on (de:Catfight) other language versions of this article by the same individual, under a multitude of accounts;

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If this continues after the page protection expires, perhaps Additional intervention may be needed, including range blocks should be discussed.--Hu12 (talk) 18:32, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article needs a lot of help[edit]

I came here because a media story quoted this article today. And I think the article really needs a lot of help -- it doesn't have inline citations, doesn't have very many sources at all, and a lot of it reads as pretty dubious -- e.g., the uncited assertion that catfighting "has recently been on the rise" in the entertainment industry, and the uncited assertion that there is a "probable link between witnessing violence between matriarchal women and a sexual thrill which would serve to further propagate the human species." In general, the article seems to position catfighting uncritically as a sexualized entertainment for heterosexual men, rather than also incorporating, for example, the views of feminists. I will probably come back here in a few hours and start to fix it up. Sue Gardner (talk) 00:56, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you; the article needs serious work. I first came here to remove some commercial/spammy links. I'll be happy to help you clean it up if, but we're going to have to follow policy and maintain a neutral position and tone.
Thanks! — UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 01:42, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Removed a section that had no sources[edit]

If somebody wants to hunt up sources for these, feel free :-) I'm in a bit of a hurry, so I am just going to remove them, for the moment. Sue Gardner (talk) 04:46, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In movies, Undercover Brother featured a catfight between Denise Richards and Aunjanue Ellis that was both titillating and a parody of titillation.[original research?] Two Days in the Valley featured a catfight between Teri Hatcher and Charlize Theron. Other examples include Raquel Welch's catfights in Kansas City Bomber and One Million Years B.C., as well as the gypsy catfight in the James Bond film, From Russia With Love.[citation needed]

The fight between Alena Johnston and Sabine Sun in the 1973 film Le guerriere dal seno nudo (a.k.a. War Goddess and The Amazons), is a classic example of the eroticism involved in movie catfights. The film begins with the blonde Antiope (played by Johnston) and brunette Oretheia (played by Sun) in a topless wrestling match to crown the new Queen of the Amazons. Before the match, the women remove their robes and are covered in oil by servants as they stare at each other from a distance. The match involves full nelsons, a test of strength and a headscissors, with the women rolling around to try to gain an advantage. As this happens, the drums playing over the scene get faster and faster.[citation needed]

Antiope is victorious, and a theme throughout the film is Oretheia's hatred for Antiope and her desire to be the Queen. This leads to a second fight later in the film, with both women brawling in the nude in Antiope's bedroom. The scene begins with Antiope being awoken by the sound of thunder - naturally she is sleeping naked, and sees the shadow of Oretheia through her curtains. Oretheia's plan to kill Antiope in her sleep with a sword is foiled, and the two have a stand-off with weapons. Antiope then says "No, we'll settle this the way we did when we were children - with our bare hands". The two discard their weapons and undress, and Oretheia lunges at Antiope. They throw each other around the room and trade punches, with Antiope being flung across the bed and having her head bashed against the wall several times. As this takes place, the thunder booms and flashes of lightning light up the room. They have another test of strength before rolling around on the floor - their bodies remain extremely close during this part of the fight, as the two women exchange the top position. After a long struggle, Antiope ceases to resist and the two women embrace and kiss.[original research?]

In song, catfights have been commemorated in "Girl Fight Tonight!" (1987) by Julie Brown, "Cat Fight" (1999) by Dance Hall Crashers, and "Girlfight" (2005) by Brooke Valentine.[citation needed]

Wrestling announcer Joey Styles is known for shrieking "Catfight!" whenever two females begin brawling. The exclamation has become one of his trademarks.[citation needed]

Removing uncited section[edit]

I'm removing this section too, because it has no citations. Sue Gardner (talk) 05:09, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Commercial catfights[edit]

There are several distributors of catfight videos on DVD or as downloads from the Internet. Most of these videos feature women who are topless or completely nude.[citation needed] The fights are carried out in improvised boxing rings, outdoors, in gyms or in apartments. Just like Foxy boxing these catfights appear more erotic entertainment than real fights. Techniques of beating and kicking that can cause pain to the opponent are often merely faked and not really carried out. Sometimes it is the goal of the fight to rip the clothing off the opponent or to rip off the last garment (the slip or thong).[citation needed] For nude catfighting sometimes the participants cover their bodies with baby oil.[citation needed]

Jeanne "Hollywood" Bassone, Lisa Comshaw ('Tori Sinclair'), Belinda Belle, and porn stars like Devon Michaels, Tanya Danielle, Tylene Buck, Krystal Summers, Blake Mitchell, Kaylynn, Lexi Lamour and Kianna Dior are some of the women that fight each other on video. Bondage models like Diana Knight and Stacy Burke have also fought for videos.[citation needed]

Use of dirty talk is standard fare in catfighting videos.[citation needed] Calling each other "bitch", "whore", "slut" and "skank" is common vernacular in catfight videos. The ripping off of clothes and lingerie usually gives way to the twisting of nipples, grabbing of breasts, and pulling of pubic hair. Some catfights turn into sexfights when the two combatants try to dominate each other sexually by forcibly kissing each other and then having aggressive sex. Typical catfighting/sexfighting scenes involve lots of hard body-to-body contact with slapping and grabbing of breasts and pubic hair. Another popular catfight move is to 'facesit' the other woman and force her to lick her.

Competitive submission catfights consist of two girls, usually dressed in bikinis or sportswear, who line up and fight until one gives.[citation needed] This is usually a submission wrestling format with hairpulling and choking. These fights can get quite aggressive and heated, but are more of a sport than a fantasy fight. These fights rarely end in serious injury.[citation needed]

Added photos and expanded selected verbiage[edit]

The original picture featured the Bennett Sisters who were vaudeville performers in the early 1900s. I deleted for two reason: 1) The date of the photo (early 1900s) did not synch well with the suggested timeline stating that catfights did not became popular in the U.S. until the 1950s. 2) The photo of two women in a very benign wrestling pose did not support the notion that a catfight is a shrieking, hair pulling, clothes shredding event.

That said, the file was from Wikimedia Commons which is a big plus. I replaced with a movie poster showing two women catfighting in a prison yard. The problem is that a cruising hazbot has already told me it was going to delete because it was an orphan (although I would think if it’s in the “Catfight” article it is not an “orphan” but I’m not sure how one argues with the hazbot …)

I also expanded the Dynasty catfight discussion and added a photo (TV screenshot) showing Linda Evans and Joan Collins in a catfight (the cruising hazbot objects to this photo as well) and added another picture supporting the Miller Lite catfight discussion (but then there is the hazbot issue again). In line citations were added as needed. I also added Susan J. Douglas’ observation that catfights frequently feature blondes and brunettes and that perhaps blonde vs. brunette is the natural form of a catfight. I’m sure many catfight aficionados would agree with this notion so it’s nice to hear this from a woman as well known in cultural and literary circles as Douglas. Exactly why we like watching dark haired and blonde haired women fight remains unclear although Douglas somewhat suggests that we perceive blondes as good and brunettes as bad.

Speaking of which, I might add a blonde vs. brunette stub to Wikipedia this weekend. Wonder if the hazbot will object. Vortex4id (talk) 17:36, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Title description[edit]

The Title Description (usually only visible on the app version) reads “Anglo-American misogynistic term for a dispute between women” despite the word “misogynistic” not appearing once in the article. Worth amending? 24.97.201.132 (talk) 00:19, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Porn isn't real[edit]

The section under eroticism needs some serious revising. You can't claim homosexual and bisexual women participate in an act just because it exists in porn 2600:1700:6BF0:2030:7486:CF51:C997:6A0 (talk) 07:23, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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