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I'm a bit confused as to why in the sidebar of his profile his time in the Continental Basketball Association isn't listed as career highlight. He did after all win a title as a coach and a coach of the year award. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.5.91 (talk) 10:55, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The Phoenix Suns were not eighth seeded in the 2006 playoffs (they were 2nd). Corrected the short summary of 2006 playoffs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.210.32.22 (talk) 01:37, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Minor grammatical changes 03/15/2007[edit]

I removed the 4 sentence section titled "NBA coaching" and put the information into either the Bulls or Lakers section where appropriate. I also cleaned up some of the passive voice. There is still a lot of repetition, and if there's no objection to this minor edit, I'll do a little more serious one.

I'm not changing content, just the order/readability. Opinions? --Legomancer 22:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article definitely needs more cleanup in regards to grammar and readability. I don't feel comfortable doing it myself, but I can definitely see that this is very poorly written. 70.113.121.183 (talk) 00:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Someone needs to say that Phil is a piece of crap 'cause he won't take the Knicks position, he didn't give Kukoc's game enough respect, and he wants to impose the triangle offense rather than working with his players and making use of their strengths. -Amit

Yeah, forget about NPOV and defamation. Trekphiler 06:44, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"future Hall of Famers" Payton and Malone[edit]

Even though everybody know they will be inducted, isn't speculation on future events frowned upon on this here encyclopaedia? Suggest removing. elpincha 23:39, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

12 Rings?[edit]

I don't understand how Phil Jackson has only 10 rings. Don't they still give you a ring ni the NBA if you are Injuried for an entire season?

Who can tell me whether Phil Jackson got a ring in 1970 of Knicks's champion though he was injuried for that entire season ? If he did,then he had got 12 rings by 2009.

Race[edit]

Is he white or black? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.183.86 (talk) 06:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He is almost completely British on the Jackson side; Mennonite/Dutch/Swiss/German on the other side.--LeValley 19:33, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

really??? you had to ask that?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.181.26.217 (talk) 07:12, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bulls vs. Lakers[edit]

How come the section on the Bulls is comparitively short when Jackson spent the majority of his career there? Mrmaroon25 01:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

156[edit]

Can anybody say the date he did it? Trekphiler 06:44, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New Jersey Nets[edit]

According to this link (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jacksph01.html), he played for the Nets from 78 to 80. Right now, the page only lists the Knicks. What's correct?

Brokeback Mountain comment[edit]

Ah come on, that stupid Brokeback Mountain comment is not worthy of being in here. That's so stupid. If you were reading a biography on him in fifty years, you wouldn't find that statement in even a 300 page book. I'm taking it out. This is the first time he's ever said anything like this. It really doesn't say anything about him. It was an isolated incident. Everybody has said something insensitive about an entire group of people before. It's really unfair. Kgj08 11:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The beginning paragraph is so dumb[edit]

Nobody cares about where he got his nickname "Zen master" from or how his books influence him. The beginning should clearly state that he has won three three-peats along with a record 72 games in 1996 and helped coach the greatest player in NBA history. Whoever wrote this is clearly not a fan of the NBA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.223.11.244 (talk) 04:12, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bulls/Blackhawks in 1992[edit]

I try to make mention that in 1992, both the Bulls and the Blackhawks reached their respective league's finals that year. Phil Jackson was right about Mike Keenan and his experiences then helping him again when the New York Rangers won the Stanley Cup in 1994, as that win happened when the New York Knicks were in their finals. -- SNIyer12, (talk) 03:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still not convinced this should stay. Just because Jackson mentioned Mike Keenan in some NY TV special doesn't mean we have to talk about hockey in this article. Zagalejo^^^ 03:04, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Phil Jackson and Mike Keenan knew each other when both of them were coaches in Chicago. Jackson was brought in as an expert in that NY TV special to help New Yorkers understand what it's like when both NBA and NHL teams from one city reach their respective league's finals in the same year. He and Keenan experienced it in Chicago in 1992 and he knew that Keenan experienced it again in New York two years later. He also said that there were many parallels between the two dramas. In 1992, Keenan remembers that there were Bulls players at Blackhawks finals games and Blackhawks players at Bulls games. He saw it again in 1994, Knicks players were at Rangers finals games and Rangers players were at Knicks finals games. This is one reason why Jackson came on that NY TV special as an expert. -- SNIyer12, (talk), 23:50, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Could you possibly quote what he said? (Here, I mean. Not in the article.) I probably have no way of accessing a copy of that tv special, so I can't evaluate whether he said anything especially interesting or insightful. Zagalejo^^^ 21:12, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Here's the quote by Jackson: "The Rangers' first Stanley Cup win in 54 years is a great part of a great chapter in New York City sports history because the Knicks were in their finals at the same time and the coach of the Rangers, Mike Keenan, knows about both NBA and NHL teams from one city reaching their respective league's finals in the same year. In 1992, during the Bulls' first three-peat, as I coached the Bulls to their second straight championship, Keenan coached the Blackhawks to the Stanley Cup Finals. I remember that Blackhawks players were at our Finals games and some of our players were at Blackhawks finals games. Keenan's experiences in Chicago in 1992 helped him a lot in 1994 when the Knicks reached their finals as his Rangers were in the Stanley Cup Finals. In addition, he was able to draw a lot of parallels between the two dramas." -- SNIyer12, (talk), 00:00 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Er, really? That doesn't sound like natural human speech. In fact, it's almost exactly the same as the prose you keep trying to add into articles. Do you have a video link or something? Zagalejo^^^ 05:46, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Greatest coach in NBA?[edit]

Saying one coach is considered the greatest coach in the NBA is an opinion. Many people also consider Phil Jackson the most overrated coach in the NBA. I removed both statements because neither one can be written as 100% fact. The only fact is that there are groups of people that believe both sides. Neither should be included in this post.

Please re-read the sentence carefully next time. --Yesterday young (talk) 09:38, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You should re-read the sentence carefully. It said he is widely considered the greatest, I changed it to widely considered the most overrated. Both statements are opinions that can not be backed up by fact. I have changed it to exclude both statements. Both could be true depending on which side of the arguement the reader falls on. I have taken out the debateable part. If one side of the arguement isn't included then neither should the other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by --67.172.145.218 (talk) 22:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)67.172.145.218 (talk) 21:57, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My information is true and verifiable information that is being removed. My verifiable information meerly controdicts the other sides information so I removed them both. I solved the debate by taking down both. The most recent edits I made have nothing of him being considered great or considered overrated. It is fact that some consider him great, but it is also fact that many consider him overrated. Does that make either of us more correct? Probably not, so why is my most recent contribution unacceptable to you? I removed the debatable portion, problem solved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by --67.172.145.218 (talk) 22:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)67.172.145.218 (talk) 21:59, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is such a thing as general consensus and it can be verified by things like polls. The first sentence above which reads "saying one coach is considered the greatest coach in the NBA is an opinion" is false. The statement in question is a statement about peoples' opinions but peoples' opinions are measurable things. That being said, in briefly trying to find a relevant poll I haven't and the statements about how he is regarded by others generally should remain out until somebody can find a good source on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.190.202.132 (talk) 05:31, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Found one Poll showing him up somehting like 75-25. Adding to article references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atari2 (talk • contribs) 04:51, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the 50th anniversary poll rominated him. And that was back in 96-97, before his second and third three-peats. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atari2 (talk • contribs) 04:54, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just a suggestion– "most successful" rather than "one of the greatest." Also, mention highest regular season winning percentage (.705) and most playoff victories (225) in lede. Source [1]. Bms4880 (talk) 13:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Won-title"[edit]

Moderators: I'm the user deleting (you're lately defining the act as vandalising) the "won-title" from 2008-2009 championship. It was not an act of vandalism as the modifications concerning "title-won" was currently being updated before the end of the NBA Finals Series. The 5th game was not over yet and after the end I haven't updated anymore as the game was over. If you're going to moderate it, please consider removing also false expressions.

Regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.103.180.135 (talk) 02:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, your edits were perfectly justified. I'm sorry you were mistreated. I've removed the tags left on your talk page, since you didn't deserve them. Zagalejo^^^ 08:07, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

season? 98 - 99[edit]

hello, i am curious, that after all the details given about the incredible person that is phil jackson, the saison 1998-99 is missing.... can somebody correct that? if he took a year vacation, etc.... it would show to be more human in me eyes..... thanks...

Apology[edit]

I just want to apologize to Phil Jackson.

I made a comment that his Zen philosophy does not work. I was wrong. Whatever he has in his basketball philosophy is working. Congratulations to the Lakers. I think Phil will go down as one of the best coaches of all time. I just wish he would consider being the GM of the Knicks. I do have a sense of humor.

Again, Great job , Phil Jackson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.74.110.171 (talk) 07:12, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a blog. I doubt he actually cares about what you say or not say, especially on Wikipedia. And this isn't a WP:NOTAFORUM to discuss your opinion of Phil Jackson. Go to ESPN, and you can spend all day long chatting with other sports nuts. OK? OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 02:44, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Phil Jackson's impending or not impending retirement[edit]

When and if Jackson announces his retirement officially, and right now there is nothing but hints, clues, commentary, and rumors, I'm sure we can state he has retired. See WP:BLP. Thanks. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 02:46, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Retired[edit]

Jackson is retired. See, e.g., http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-05-25/sports/ct-spt-0526-bulls-chicago-20130526_1_eleven-rings-jeanie-buss-phil-jackson.

Even the stories speculating that he may be interested in returning to the NBA describe his current status as retired. See, e.g., http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/9182468/phil-jackson-itching-return-nbacoach-executive-sources-say (Jackson may "simply stay retired" if he's not interested in any of the job opportunities that come his way).

Until he accepts another job or states publicly that he is looking for work, he is retired. Terence7 (talk) 03:50, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No dude. In fact, that he is NOT coaching does not equate with being retired. Even the articles that have been posted equivocate. One is a blog, which is not an acceptable source, even if it is on the Sports Illustrated site and still hesitates by saying that his return has been rumored. The other waivers on that by virtue of its very title "Phil Jackson is Retired...Maybe." It's a lot more accurate to say that he is not currently coaching. Otherwise, you guys are guilty of jumping the gun and age discrimination because after all, look at how old he is, huh?? But in any case, he has also said he wants to return to the NBA: see http://tracking.si.com/2013/04/17/phil-jackson-wants-to-return-to-nba/, so that does not mean he's retired. He's just not coaching at the moment. Lizabetha (talk) 20:01, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Most sources call him retired. By most accounts, he is retired from coaching, but would entertain an exec position.—Bagumba (talk) 20:56, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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