Talk:Charles William Eliot

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There is no way this text was not plagiarized. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.145.195.211 (talk) 02:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well at least one of the paragraph's was directly lifted from "Documentary History of Philanthropy and Voluntarism in America" ©2003 Peter Dobkin Hall, which is hosted by a Harvard web site here: http://www.hks.harvard.edu/fs/phall/03.%20Eliot-Education.pdf. Look at the section "FIGHTING THE WILDERNESS, PHYSICAL AND MORAL": CHARLES W. ELIOT AND THE EMERGENCE OF THE PRIVATE UNIVERSITY, which begins on p 14 of the pdf document.

Look particularly at the paragraph beginning:

"Although his methods were pragmatic ..."

I haven't done an extensive comparison of other parts of the article but it's pretty clear there was plagiarism at least here (and surrounding paragraphs). AnthroMimus (talk) 21:55, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Acadia national park[edit]

According to Ken Burns' documentary about the national park system, he noted that Eliot played a key role in the early movement for Acadia Nat'l Park after finding out about his late son's passion for the area. That should be researched and added. --166.205.7.52 (talk) 04:48, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

T.S. Eliot?[edit]

Any brothers or sisters? Where does T.S. Eliot fit in? 86.144.199.247 (talk) 00:02, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that "cousin of T.S. Eliot" may be misleading. Does anyone have the common ancestor? I did not find a common Eliot ancestor after Andrew Eliot (1651-1688). Also there is 54 years difference in their ages. Canuu (talk) 18:04, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Eliot's contribution to sex education[edit]

Why no mention of this fact? I'm not schooled enough to absorb all the wikip rules on biographical material and have only learned the below from magazine/newspaper articles but do not have time to read the book(s) to provide the proper sort of references, so I am just posting this as a request rather than adding content on my own. (In short, I find the rules intimidating and I feel unqualified!)

The guy was a ground-breaker with regard to sex ed. "He believed it was so important he turned down Woodrow Wilson's offer of the ambassadorship to Britain to join the first national group devoted to promoting the subject." This is a report on content in Kristin Luker's book "When Sex Goes to School" as related in a NY Times Sunday magazine article 2011-11-20

See also "Harvard President Charles Eliot Invents Sex Ed" Ilyse Kazar (talk) 17:28, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No mention of Committee of Ten yet, either czar ♔ 15:32, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Date of death?[edit]

An IP editor apparently acting in WP:AGF changed date of death to 1915-03-21, based on an article in the New York Times (http://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1915/03/21/issue.html, bottom center of page). Other WP:RS assert that he died in 1926, including the Harvard Libraries, which hold the archives of his papers up until his death (http://oasis.lib.harvard.edu/oasis/deliver/~hua03006). For now, I have reverted to the previous state of the article. The NYT article might be an error or a hoax, and would be interesting to investigate. If the report was truly from 1915, it might be noteworthy enough for inclusion in the article, to forestall future errors at least. Reify-tech (talk) 01:24, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A quick websearch turned up nothing about the NYT 1915 date being an error or a hoax. Likely the NYT must have published a retraction or a letter of protest from Eliot within a few days. Somebody should check the NYT back issues for the succeeding week or so to see if anything was printed back then. At any rate, the NYT published a full page on the occasion of Eliot's actual demise in 1926 (http://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1926/08/29/98387720.html?pageNumber=182). Reify-tech (talk) 01:47, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Eliot Bridge[edit]

Eliot Bridge is named after him and his son. Perhaps add to monuments and memorials?

73.219.65.6 (talk) 21:49, 2 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Geographic diversity efforts[edit]

The first line of "legacy", it says, "... accepting its students around America using standardized entrance examinations..."

If Harvard was anything like Yale, the reason for that effort at geographic diversity was that the local best students were becoming more and more Jewish. At Yale, at least, geographic diversity was a way of keeping the number of Jewish students down. I recall hearing the same about Harvard, but that is a vague memory.

Thomaso (talk) 17:17, 4 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Odd sentence[edit]

Eliot was an articulate opponent of American imperialism, although he was opposed to the education of women.

Non-sequitur, I think. What does it mean? And was he against sending girls to school at all?
Valetude (talk) 22:59, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
How in the world is claimed hostility to educating women consistent with Eliot's approval of the creation of Harvard's Radcliffe College (for women) during (1879) his administration? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.152.72.28 (talk) 04:50, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well, exactly. That's my question. I also seem to remember a long quotation by Eliot on this page, giving his reasons for opposing applications by female students. Presumably it was deleted. This sub-topic might suit further research and referenced editing. Valetude (talk) 22:53, 23 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Eugenics connection?[edit]

Just wondering if it is important or even relevant to mention his ties to eugenics? He was a prominent supporter of the movement but it’s not mentioned at all. 24.54.69.45 (talk) 04:08, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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