Talk:Sud Aviation

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I don't know the procedure here, but this article is a pretty close paraphrasing of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th paragraphs on this page: http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Aerospace/Sud/Aero48.htm

I don't know whether this is considered plagarism, because it is mostly paraphrased, but the page is not cited and the content and flow are almost identical. I do not know how to proceed, so I shall add the page to the references section.

--IRelayer 22:41, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think that's the correct way to go about it. No copyright infringement seems to have taken place, since the actual wording differs, but it should have been cited as a reference (probably the only one used). The page possibly predates the more widespread insistence on citing one's sources. Given that Wikipedia is not being done for personal credit, plagiarism is not problematic in the same way as in, say, a college paper - but it is poor form and shows an article that is poorly sourced. —Morven 00:14, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

Fate and successor in info box[edit]

There seems to be an inconsistency between these details in the info box. The sequence of events is fairly unambiguous: Sud merged into Aérospatiale which in turn merged into EADS. However the infobox seems to imply that Sud continued to exist within Aérospatiale but ceased to exist within EADS. You can make a convincing argument either way but since both transitions were mergers treating them differently in this manner seems inconsistent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CrispMuncher (talk • contribs)

I've removed EADS, since it is not a direct successor, and moved Aérospatiale to the "Successor" field. Infoboxes are meant simply to present a brief overview of information, not a complete history. Further expansion should be limited to the text. - BillCJ (talk) 22:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"products: jet aircraft"[edit]

No mention of the pioneering work of SA, eventually becoming the world's leading helicopter manufacturer?
See: Alouette, Frelon, Puma.
--BjKa (talk) 14:19, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So fix it. - BilCat (talk) 14:55, 16 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I fixed it myself, only 4 years late! :) - BilCat (talk) 07:55, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hyphen[edit]

The article is currently named Sud Aviation, but the lead sentence uses only the form Sud-Aviation, and both versions are used in the text. The corresponding French Wikipedia article uses Sud-Aviation consistently.

This makes sense if the unhyphenated form is/was typical usage in English, but if that's the case the article should talk about it. If it's just carelessness, it should be fixed. --76.71.5.208 (talk) 18:44, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell, the form without the hyphen is the one normally used in English. It was used in the Lead until changed about 3 years ago without discussion by a French speaker. I've reverted to the standard form. As far as mentioning the difference, without a source that addresses the use of the hyphen in this name, about all we can do is to add the French form without comment, as we usually do with words in other languages. I do note that the other Latin-character Wikipedias all appear to use the unhyphenated form. - BilCat (talk) 19:38, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The french wikipedia has the definitive reference on that: the 30 december 1969 decree creating Sud-Aviation, with an hyphen: "Décret du 30 décembre 1969 autorisant la Société nationale de constructions aéronautiques Sud-Aviation à augmenter sa participation au capital de la Société d'études et de réalisation d'engins balistiques". legifrance.gouv.fr (in French). The hyphen may have been subsequently lost in later publications, then widespread in the english-speaking press, and then in the english wikipedia which is authoritative in other wikipedias.--Marc Lacoste (talk) 06:54, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Marc. For now, I propose that we add "Sud-Aviation" as the official French name with the source, and leave it that. I hope we can avoid a situation like developed at Talk:Aérospatiale#aerospatiale without accent! That argument lasted for 4 years, and even spread to French Wikipedia, where a consensus was finally achieved. - BilCat (talk) 07:52, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]