Talk:Francisca

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I'm unsure about the meaning of: “The lower part of the blade swings strongly to the handle, and has two clearly trained points, while the upper edge is particularly strongly formed out.” I've left the sentence in, but it needs to be rewritten. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:03, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

this is apparently translated from de:Franziska (Waffe):

Die Schneide schwingt im untern Teil stärker zum Stiel hin und hat zwei deutlich ausgebildete Spitzen, deren obere besonders stark ausgeformt ist.

maybe, "the edge is curved towards the handle and has two points, the upper of which being more pronounced.", but I'm having trouble to align this with the illustration. Maybe it should read 'head' instead of 'edge'. dab (ᛏ) 11:07, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

jakobi@acm.org: Axtkopf/(Axt)Schneide is both in use in German, usually implying some emphasis wrt the edge of the axe head. Franke seems to be used in texts written in early medivial Latin (assumption given in the German wiki article on Franke): meaning something like bold/free (correct; Duden). The Grimm and the Duden (etymology volume) may contain further information on Franke/Franken (people, Bavarian region, etc; maybe even postulating some link between francisca and the franks; francisca as axe is NOT in the Duden). See also the German wiki article (e.g. via babelfish...), which at least is consistent with my "Sprachgefuehl" - indeed German words in current usage like "frankieren" or expressions like "frank und frei" still retain some remnants of that bold/free meaning. It might be worthwhile to look up the direction of word derivation (a Germanic people taking a Latin name? themselves, or more likely when being referred to by other tribes, with med. latin being the "Lingua *FRANCA*" of that time?) in the references of that article. Students of Germanistik should have easy access to resources to cite some authorative statements say from e.g. the Grimms themselves.

DAB page[edit]

"Francisca" desperately needs a disambiguation page. There are many more other "Francisca"s than this axe. I'll make one if I have time. Moncrief 18:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Accuracy of measurement[edit]

"Most franciscas were between eleven and twenty-three centimetres in length" Do they mean "inches" here instead of "centimeters"? Eleven centimeteres hardly seems large enough for any type of axe, even one meant to be thrown (unless they're referring to the head, in which case that should be indicated in the sentence).--Tabun1015 04:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So basically...[edit]

If I'm understanding this right.. the Franks were Hammer Bros ?

When were these weapons in use?[edit]

The article states that the Francisca "is known to have been used during the reign of Charlemagne (768 - 814)". The german wikipedia dates its use to the 5th to 6th century, stating that the latest archeological findings reach back to the 7th century [1]. Who's right? Feirefis (talk) 09:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

When were these weapons in use?[edit]

The article states that the Francisca "is known to have been used during the reign of Charlemagne (768 - 814)". The german wikipedia dates its use to the 5th to 6th century, stating that the latest archeological findings reach back to the 7th century [2]. Who's right? Feirefis (talk) 09:59, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wasnt the francisca a Vichy French symbol?[edit]

Wasnt the Franciska Double baded axc a Vichy facuist French Symbol as well? VICTORISEDSONANDREJOHSONDDULC (talk) 03:22, 8 December 2010 (UTC)Abdre'[reply]

Bouncing[edit]

Multiple sources are referring to franciscas bouncing. Why was the paragraph removed?Leate Woncelace (talk) 08:00, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

According to the description given by Marasmusine of his 12 February 2014 edit, there was only one source cited for the claim, and it appeared to be self-published and of uncertain reliability. If you have "multiple sources" of demonstrable reliability, please provide citations and restore the passage. 12.233.147.42 (talk) 02:17, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's back, but it should be removed because there is absolutely no historical or academic source to back up the claim. It is based entirely off the conjecture of youtuber Lindybeige from his own LARP experience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.249.133.252 (talk) 03:22, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]