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Aurora borealis seen from southern England
Aurora borealis seen from southern England

Glossary[edit]

  • Blurbs are one-sentence summaries of the news story.
    • Altblurbs, labelled alt1, alt2, etc., are alternative suggestions to cover the same story.
    • A target article, bolded in text, is the focus of the story. Each blurb must have at least one such article, but you may also link non-target articles.
  • Articles in the Ongoing line describe events getting continuous coverage.
  • The Recent deaths (RD) line includes any living thing whose death was recently announced. Consensus may decide to create a blurb for a recent death.

All articles linked in the ITN template must pass our standards of review. They should be up-to-date, demonstrate relevance via good sourcing and have at least an acceptable quality.

Nomination steps[edit]

  • Make sure the item you want to nominate has an article that meets our minimum requirements and contains reliable coverage of a current event you want to create a blurb about. We will not post about events described in an article that fails our quality standards.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually - a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC).
  • Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate.
Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
  • You may add {{ITN note}} to the target article's talk page to let editors know about your nomination.

The better your article's quality, the better it covers the event and the wider its perceived significance (see WP:ITNSIGNIF for details), the better your chances of getting the blurb posted.

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Headers[edit]

  • When the article is ready, updated and there is consensus to post, you can mark the item as (Ready). Remove that wording if you feel the article fails any of these necessary criteria.
  • Admins should always separately verify whether these criteria are met before posting blurbs marked (Ready). For more guidance, check WP:ITN/A.
    • If satisfied, change the header to (Posted).
    • Where there is no consensus, or the article's quality remains poor, change the header to (Closed) or (Not posted).
    • Sometimes, editors ask to retract an already-posted nomination because of a fundamental error or because consensus changed. If you feel the community supports this, remove the item and mark the item as (Pulled).

Voicing an opinion on an item[edit]

Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do...[edit]

  1. Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten.
  2. Review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. You may be the first to spot a problem, or the first to confirm that an identified problem was fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes will help administrators see what is ready to be posted on the Main Page.
  3. Tell about problems in articles if you see them. Be bold and fix them yourself if you know how, or tell others if it's not possible.

Please do not...[edit]

  1. Add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are not helpful. A vote without reasoning means little for us, please elaborate yourself.
  2. Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. We post a lot of such content, so these comments are generally unproductive.
  3. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). We at ITN do not handle conflicts of interest.
  4. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. Discuss them here.
  6. Use ITN as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome and are potentially disruptive.

Suggesting updates[edit]

There are two places where you can request corrections to posted items:

  • Anything that does not change the intent of the blurb (spelling, grammar, markup issues, updating death tolls etc.) should be discussed at WP:Errors.
  • Discuss major changes in the blurb's intent or very complex updates as part of the current ITNC nomination.
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May 11[edit]

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents


RD: Surjit Patar[edit]

Article: Surjit Patar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs a bit work. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 10[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology


RD: Sam Rubin[edit]

Article: Sam Rubin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American TV entertainment reporter. Article tripled in size and fortified with 20+ new references. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 08:40, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose Article looks mostly fine, but there are still some issues. The infobox has some stuff that isn't in the prose and also unsourced, namely the names of his spouses, how long he was married to them and how many children he had with each of them (prose just says that he was twice married and has four kids), and that he won the "Associated Press Television and Radio Award" (not mentioned in prose at all). Also his DoB isn't in the prose and is unsourced as well. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 10:19, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) May 2024 solar storms[edit]

Article: May 2024 solar storms (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Major solar storms impact the Earth, creating displays of Northern Lights (pictured) at southerly latitudes. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, NYT, NOAA Space Weather Center
Credits:

Largest solar storm in decades. 75.81.94.213 (talk) 04:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait - the northern lights don't seem to be much further south than has been observed on several occasions during the last year or two. I'd think we'd need something more noteworthy - a power grid failure or something. Nfitz (talk) 05:05, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait, but support The article as it stands right now is seriously underselling it; the aurora has reportedly reached all the way down to Jamaica at 18 degrees north. Ionmars10 (talk) 05:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strike while the iron is hot The aurora is visible right now where it's dark and will persist into the weekend. But it's dawn where I am and so I've missed last night but will be looking out for a recurrence on Saturday night as I've never seen an aurora. As time is of the essence, we should get this posted immediately to alert everyone. Note that this is not just a light show but this major solar storm might affect infrastructure too. Andrew🐉(talk) 05:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You're in the UK right? I wasn't able to catch it in London yesterday. I think there will be some activity tonight as well PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Largest event in many years.... severe effect on radio communications. Ariconte (talk) 06:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Agree with Andrew. Post this now while people can still go outside and see it; no need to wait for a disaster. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 06:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Proposed initial blurb is northern hemisphere biased. Spectacular aurora australis has also been seen much more northerly than usual. dmmaus (talk) 07:49, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is the largest solar storm in over thirty years, definitely news worthy. The article doesn't have quality issues. --NoonIcarus (talk) 08:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is a worldwide event with multiple news and government agencies reporting on it, specifically stating that a storm of this kind hasn't hit the Earth since 2003. I also support dmmaus's comment to reword the blurb, since these aurora are happening in the southern hemisphere too. I'm not sure if I can directly edit the template, but I'd change the blurb to something like "Major solar storms impact Earth, resulting in communication disruptions and displays of aurorae visible at medium-low latitudes " SpacePod9 (talk) 08:25, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per everyone above me. The linked article is well-referenced and gives a basic overview of what's happening, though I think the article should place a greater emphasis on the fact that these solar storms are the most powerful in over 30 years. Kurtis (talk) 08:43, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Per everyone else. I see @Dmmaus's point about northern hemisphere bias, as the Aurora Australis has also been intense over Australia, New Zealand, Chile, and Argentina, but the vast majority of the aurora sightings are in the North, and I don't really see a better way to phrase it. Maybe 'displays of the Northern and Southern Lights seen at lower latitudes'. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Vast majority? Have you measured it or are you just reaffirming your bias? There have been sightings in both hemispheres, period. Wording it accordingly is the way to go. Bedivere (talk) 14:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 09:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality. Far too many uncited statements for such a short (barely more than a stub) article, and the thing in the hook about more northerly and southerly latitudes also isn't cited. Posting seems premature.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Finally able to remove this oppose, as the article is OK now (see below). But in future, ITN admins, please don't post at ITN if the article is obviously not up to scratch.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment. The phrasing "than usual" is subjective. We should perhaps list some specific places closest to the equator on each side to indicate extremities of latitude. For example: Florida, Italy/Bulgaria, and South Africa. Or, suggest alternate wording. 70.27.84.88 (talk) 11:01, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting pull Way too short of an article and there appear to be quality problems with it. Just because its covered worldwide doesn't mean it is ITN appropriate. --Masem (t) 12:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Come on, I think we can make an exception 2A00:23C8:B00:AD01:31D5:F0B7:E1DF:125D (talk) 14:24, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't Pull By Frank Bainimarama standards, this isn't so uncited (and not even a living person). InedibleHulk (talk) 12:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's way below the standard at which an article is acceptable for the main page, BLP or otherwise. There's now an entire unreferenced section. SMH. Marking as "attention needed", because unless this is fixed quickly, it needs to be pulled.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:45, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There was a dubious accusation of assault against another named and linked BLP in the BLP. I agree, SMH. But that's the way the times have changed. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's not "the way the times have changed", we don't use the precedent of a badly sourced post to justify another. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 16:28, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed. If the rules have changed to allow articles with lots of missing citations and (as initially posted) not even the facts in the blurb properly cited, then I obviously missed that discussion... Anyway finally, many hours later, the article looks OK so withdrawing the "attention needed" at this point. But seriously, the article improvement needs to happen *before* posting, not way later.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Hans Wahlgren[edit]

Article: Hans Wahlgren (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2], [3]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by BabbaQ (talkcontribs) 17:55, 2024 May 10 (UTC)

RD: Jim Simons[edit]

Article: Jim Simons (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-10/jim-simons-quant-king-at-renaissance-technologies-dies-at-86, https://www.simonsfoundation.org/2024/05/10/simons-foundation-co-founder-mathematician-and-investor-jim-simons-dies-at-86/
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 16:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Philanthropist, mathematician, and hedge fund manager with a longstanding reputation for success in that field. Article has been updated and looks reasonable to me - no orange tags? QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 16:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD for the most useful donor to science. Connor Behan (talk) 17:04, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good and and is pretty big, however it could use another sentence on his death. Normalman101 (talk) 17:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are a couple of footnote-free paragraphs. Both have been {cn}-tagged. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 13:36, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 9[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports


RD: Cam McCarthy[edit]

Article: Cam McCarthy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Australian rules footballer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose additional citations needed. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:31, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Rex Murphy[edit]

Article: Rex Murphy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Canadian commentator and author.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose more than a dozen cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Yvonne Mokgoro[edit]

Article: Yvonne Mokgoro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): South African Government News Agency
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

South African Judge.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks good to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:33, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Sean Burroughs[edit]

Article: Sean Burroughs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Updating and sourcing in progress. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Chadian presidential election[edit]

Proposed image
Articles: Mahamat Déby (talk · history · tag) and 2024 Chadian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Mahamat Déby (pictured) is elected the President of Chad. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Mahamat Déby (pictured) is declared the winner of Chad's presidential election.
Alternative blurb II: Mahamat Déby (pictured) is elected the President of Chad.
News source(s): AP News, BBC, France 24, Reuters
Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Chose to direct to Mahamat Déby over 2024 Chadian presidential election, but provided it as an option in the second alt blurb. Swapped photos because main article page has an American flag in the background, and that might be a little confusing. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support both Déby's article and election article looks good enough to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the election article doesn't even have key results like the %age of votes each candidate won. And election article is the logical article to bold if we only bold 1. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bold both we don't have to choose between them, we can just bold them both. Amended the nomination accordingly. Currently the election article is okay for prose, but the infobox and statistics really need expanding. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Abcmaxx - I figured there would be more resistance to highlighting the election article. Official tallies will be hard to come by at the moment as it is provisional. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 07:09, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Updated what I could, based on what I could find. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 09:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I think it's good to mention that there's been many accusations of electoral fraud, and this is generally not considered to be a free and fair democratic exercise PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This came up with the most recent election which resulted in Putin remaining in office, and the general consensus seemed to lean towards letting the article speak to that and keeping the blurb as concise as possible while remaining non-controversial. I believe there was a talk discussion as well. Kcmastrpc (talk) 11:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I personally disagree, I think whether or not an election is an actual democratic election is important to mention. Shall we also post the 2024 North Korean elections? I hear it's gonna be a close race, I wonder who will win PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is the reason I made alt1. He has been declared the winner by the electoral commission and reliable sources are saying he won. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 15:59, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah that might be the better option, saying the he has been declared the winner by the electoral commission rather than 'elected'. So, Support alt blurb I PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:03, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt1 - I think the articles are good enough now. We want to avoid editorializing at all so I'm opposed to saying outright that the election was fraudulent, but I think saying Deby was "declared the winner" is more accurate than saying he was fairly elected mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt1 - the election article (which needs to be bolded) now appears to be in good shape from the earlier comments. Deby's is already good, and there's zero harm to bold that as well. --Masem (t) 14:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT1 per above. The Kip 17:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Colleen Barrett[edit]

Article: Colleen Barrett (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former president of Southwest Airlines and founding figure in the airline. I got this article cleaned up a few years ago, so it should be pretty good to go. Kenmelken (talk) 17:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is in good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I added some updates and an image. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article is good enough for RD, if we can find a cause of death that would make it a clear decision Normalman101 (talk) 14:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:31, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war[edit]

Article: Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR, Reuters, NYT, Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This is discussed at the ITN talk page. Currently Ongoing lists four wars but only links timelines for two of them. All these wars have timeline pages and it seems arbitrary and inconsistent to just give timelines for two of them. As the Israel-Hamas war now has a huge and sprawling number of pages, it would be sensible to link its timeline too. Note that it has multiple timeline pages and so the overall one seems best as the starting point for readers. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support if the Russian invasion and Sudanese civil war articles have them, then I see no reason why such a complex and much-covered conflict shouldn't be in the same format. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not opposing this, but we probably can talk removal of the Myanmar conflict, no updates since 27 April. --Masem (t) 12:18, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    that's not that long ago, can be rectified easily, but maybe make a new nomination to remove that conflict from ITN as not to de-rail this discussion. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support to keep things consistent, but I would target Timeline of the Israel–Hamas war (12 January 2024 – present) as the timeline article instead, since the Russia/Ukraine link targets the most recent sub-timeline mike_gigs talkcontribs 14:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The Russo-Ukrainian way aside, it would also make sense because the originally proposed article isn't a timeline at all. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:21, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as one of the original proponents for adding (timelines) to ongoing for the sake of consistency. — Knightoftheswords 16:23, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support timelines for both on the basis of consistency. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Frank Bainimarama jailed[edit]

Article: Frank Bainimarama (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former Prime Minister of Fiji Frank Bainimarama has been jailed for perverting the course of justice. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ On appeal, Former Prime Minister of Fiji Frank Bainimarama is sentenced to a year in jail for attempted perverting the course of justice.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Jailing of a head of state is a very rare occurrence, especially such a recent one too. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support, the article looks comprehensive and well cited. Maybe "perverting the course of justice" could be written better. Tone 11:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a legal term and specific offence. I think we should keep it as it is as not to fall foul of any WP:BLP or WP:BIAS rules. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Tone 14:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Sounds like he's already been convicted. Maybe changing the blurb to "Former Prime Minister of Fiji Frank Bainimarama is sentenced to one year in prison for perverting the course of justice." would be more precise?Estreyeria (talk) 15:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Notes The Guardian story above says he was convicted of attempting to pervert the course of justice. It also says first he was sentenced for perverting it. Maybe this means the attempt was successful and maybe it means the reporter was just being succinct earlier. In any case, we should become sure, somehow. Same for the five CN tags. I'm also not sure if there's a distinction between jail (for short sentences) and prison (for long hauls) in Fiji; are you? InedibleHulk (talk) 15:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In British English jail and prison mean the same thing, in the UK legally there is no such thing as jail. In Canada and the USA jails and prisons are two different places with slightly different functions. The Fijian legal (and political) system is likely to be based on the British system but if we have any Fijian Wikipedians or more likely Australian or New Zealander Wikipedians on here who have a better insight, then that would be great. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You are correct. Jail (or rather gaol) and prison are one and the same in a lot of Westminster countries. Jail/gaol tends to be the more colloquial/conversational term whereas prison is the official term. Whereas in NA, jail tends to refer to mini-prisons ran by local governments (i.e. counties) while prison is those ran by state/provincial and federal governments. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In some huge counties, the jails make state prisons look tiny. The main reason is that prisons only house convicted criminals, while jails hold untried suspects and small-time ("two years less a day" or "misdemeanor") convicts. Glad we're sure about Fiji now, though, thanks. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - he was the longtime leader and psuedo-dictator of Fiji, the fact he's now heading to prison seems notable enough for the front page. The Kip 17:28, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Pending Citations InedibleHulk (talk) 17:44, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 03:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Is this an indication that multiple tagged paragraphs are no longer a problem for biographies, no longer a problem for biographies of living people or no longer a problem for biographies of politicians? None of the above? In any case, don't pull; just seems odd. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 8[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

  • Researchers at Google DeepMind announce the development of AlphaFold 3, an AI model that can predict the structures of almost all biological molecules and model the interactions between them. (Time) (Nature)

Sports


RD: Moosa Raza[edit]

Article: Moosa Raza (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian civil servant.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:23, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose no way near ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Chris Cannon[edit]

Article: Chris Cannon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deseret News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former U.S. representative. One orange-tagged section. Curbon7 (talk) 21:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article needs a bit more sourcing. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:53, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jimmy Johnson (cornerback)[edit]

Article: Jimmy Johnson (cornerback) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Article updated
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Looks to be in solid shape. Natg 19 (talk) 19:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks good to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:54, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ramón Fonseca Mora[edit]

Article: Ramón Fonseca Mora (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ICIJ
Credits:
Article updated
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a Panamanian novelist, lawyer and co-founder of Mossack Fonseca.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article needs more sourcing particularly in the works section. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: K. P. Yohannan[edit]

Article: K. P. Yohannan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Mathrubhumi
Credits:

Article updated
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70.27.84.88 (talk) 00:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article needs a lot of work to be ITN eligible. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 00:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article needs bit more sourcing. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Pete McCloskey[edit]

Article: Pete McCloskey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
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Sunshineisles2 (talk) 20:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - article looks good and is well-sourced. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 21:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Not sure as an updater if can vote on this nom, but article does look good. Good job to Sunshineisles2 for fixing up this article. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:35, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You absolutely can comment, thank you. Stephen 05:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks ready. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 7[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

  • The Boy Scouts of America announces the renaming of the organization to Scouting America on February 8, 2025, in an effort to make girls feel more welcome. (AP)

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections


RD: Barbara Stauffacher Solomon[edit]

Article: Barbara Stauffacher Solomon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
Article updated
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Pioneer of Supergraphics.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose article needs more sources and Books section also have some works unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:56, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 North Macedonia elections[edit]

Proposed image
Articles: 2024 North Macedonian presidential election (talk · history · tag) and 2024 North Macedonian parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Gordana Siljanovska-Davkova (pictured) is elected President of North Macedonia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Gordana Siljanovska-Davkova (pictured) is elected the first female President of North Macedonia.
Alternative blurb II: Gordana Siljanovska-Davkova (pictured) is elected President of North Macedonia, while VMRO-DPMNE win most seats in the Assembly.
News source(s): Deutsche Welle
Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

The official results from the presidential election will be published later, but the winner is already known due to the large margin, and the current president Stevo Pendarovski has already conceded the defeat. According to the preliminary results from the parliamentary election, the opposition is set to win most seats in the Assembly, but the votes from the largest polls have not yet been counted. As for the quality of articles, the one on the presidential election looks minimally sufficient and needs an update of the final results, whereas the one on the parliamentary election lacks prose and has long way to go before posting.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait the lead article needs more prose. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Steve Albini[edit]

Article: Steve Albini (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pitchfork
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

BangJan1999 16:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • RIP to a real one. The only issue I see that could prevent posting is that the lead and infobox list May 7 as the day of death, but the prose says May 8. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:48, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed to May 7, as Rolling Stone stated "Tuesday night". Isthmus55 (tc) 17:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – RIP. Isthmus55 (tc) 17:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article appears good enough to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ignatius Jones[edit]

Article: Ignatius Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6][7]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs some more references. Natg 19 (talk) 16:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ready Article is in a very good shape and is ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This article is in remarkably good shape for someone from the entertainment industry. HiLo48 (talk) 07:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ready Ready Ready Ready Ready Ready Ready And has been for over a day. HiLo48 (talk) 00:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kim Ki-nam[edit]

Article: Kim Ki-nam (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: "The Goebbels of North Korea". Biography orange-tagged but there are enough sources to rectify this and even expand the article further. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Oleksandr Pielieshenko[edit]

Article: Oleksandr Pielieshenko (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
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 BilledMammal (talk) 03:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have added citations to results section. Alexcalamaro (talk) 05:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Article is a stub. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 12:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose needs more prose about his career e.g. about his European medals and Olympic appearances at a minimum. WP:ITNQUALITY not close to being met yet. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 6[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

  • An American soldier is arrested in Russia on charges of criminal misconduct. According to US officials, the soldier was based in South Korea and had been accused of stealing from a woman. (Reuters)

Politics and elections


(Posted) RD: Joe Collier[edit]

Article: Joe Collier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports
Credits:
Article updated
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American Football coach.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks good enough. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:07, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Hootie Ingram[edit]

Article: Hootie Ingram (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Article updated
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American football player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Head coaching record section does not have any source.PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please take a look added references.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is ready now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kristin Hallenga[edit]

Article: Kristin Hallenga (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times ,BBC Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
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Death reported on Monday 6th.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks fine to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 World Snooker Championship[edit]

Article: 2024 World Snooker Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Kyren Wilson defeats Jak Jones to win the 2024 World Snooker Championship (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 15:46, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Almost ready. The tense needs changing from future to past in at least the final section. Schwede66 21:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry, yeah, it had literally only just finished, I think I have it all now. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 23:09, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, looks like the tense has been changed. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 22:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, just like with the 2024 Derby. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:E1BE:DE23:DB02:9B82 (talk) 22:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, looks good to go. The Kip 23:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I won't let this get in the way of a well sourced, prose-filled ITNR sport result from being posted, but daaaaamn that is a heck of a lot of prose. I tried reading (not a big pool/snookers player) and my eyes glazed over. That probably can be trimmed down some where the prose and tables work hand in hand to summarize the results. This is only a comment and should not be treated as a oppose !vote. --Masem (t) 01:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The previous six years of FAs seems to suggest this is how we should lay out these articles. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 06:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is a problem with many of the sports articles on Wikipedia. Too many of our editors think of themselves as sports journalists, and the articles bloat with endless trivia and unnecessary play-by-play. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 13:35, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If you think prose about an event is unnecessary, we're going to have to agree to disagree. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 13:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think it's a very well written article with appropriate levels of detail on the different rounds and good referencing. The prose summaries provide factual statements and a few quotes from the players, without engaging in subjective judgements or excessive details. It makes sense to me for the paragraphs on the final to provide more granular information than the earlier rounds. There are 4800 words of prose, which is fine for an encyclopaedia article covering the entire tournament (not just the final). The only part that might be a bit overdone is in describing the qualifying rounds, but that's nitpicking. Overall it's a very good article to feature on the Main Page. Modest Genius talk 13:53, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Again, stressing this is not a pull request: it is just that the early sections have a combination of sea of blue links and stats in rather long paragraphs. This would be a situation that mingling tables between sections of prose both help situate the prose better as well as visually breaking up the prose. I am absolutely pleased to see a sports article with this much prose to discuss what actually happened and backed with sources, but this is not a very reader friendly approach, at least to one looking from outside the snooker world. — Masem (t) 13:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would much rather see lots of text about the event that explains it rather than just tables and stats, like a lot of sports articles try to get away with, and this is way more consistent with MOS:PROSE than most other sports articles. Yes there is lots of text, but all of it is relevant text and so is fine. We should be encouraging articles, especially sports articles, nominated here to have prose rather than endless amounts of tables. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:08, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 01:47, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bernard Pivot[edit]

Article: Bernard Pivot (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
Credits:

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French journalist notably for Le Figaro. Jmanlucas (talk) 18:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Needs more sources. Will work on it tomorrow if it's not well-cited by then. Sincerely, Dilettante 01:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Spelling championship and filmography sections are entirely unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Brian Wenzel[edit]

Article: Brian Wenzel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 9News
Credits:
Article updated
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Australian actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:D0D0:C67F:3541:9590 (talk) 17:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose needs more references. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 23:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unsourced Filmography and some cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 U.S. University protests/occupations[edit]

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Article: 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Protests against the Israel-Hamas War shut down several college campuses in the United States. (Post)
Credits:
Renominating because the protests have only grown in scale and intensity, all over the news worldwide, with no sign of stopping anytime soon. I think this qualifies as a separate item from ongoing due to notability. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The article says that "Protests, including rallies, demonstrations, campaigns, and vigils relating to the Israel–Hamas war have occurred across the U.S. since the conflict's start on October 7, 2023". And the latest flare-up is dated "April 17" which is over two weeks ago. So, this is clearly an ongoing issue rather than something new. And we already have an umbrella ongoing entry. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Opposefor largely the same reasons. This is an ongoing item covered by the ongoing entry. Noah, BSBATalk 11:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Covered by ongoing. Editor 5426387 (talk) 12:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Didn't we just have an ITN candidate like this? Anyways, covered by ongoing, nothing else to say. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1(The Garage) 12:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mention in Ongoing, we could have something like Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war (protests). The protests are related, but not an event in the war itself, and their intensity means mentioning them under the umbrella of the main ongoing item. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 12:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Highlighting the protests at primarily US schools over deaths and destruction of the Gaza conflict is a massive undue weight of the situation. — Masem (t) 14:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Protests are very common and happen across the globe all the time including in relation to Israel/Palestine. What makes this particular sub-set of these notable? The number of people involved are small and universities are not inherently more important than any other institutions. It appears to be almost entirely restricted to one country. This is very much not May 68. —Brigade Piron (talk) 13:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support + Ongoing editors keep citing that it's covered by ongoing, but how? last i checked (a few days ago), these protests didn't even have a mention in the I-H ongoing article. Perhaps these are mentioned (now), but given the scale and persistence of these protests in the news this likely deserves a blurb on its own OR it's own mention as a standalone ongoing article. (I actually opposed the nom several days ago, citing ongoing, but have since changed my stance on it given the recent developments). Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:16, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • We have to recognize that ongoing that last for months are going to have a main topic article and then numerous sub articles under that. As long as the protests are linked and referenced in that hierarchy, then ongoing covers this. — Masem (t) 14:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      OK, I was able to find it down a couple of nested links. I believe the duration and breadth of coverage of this specific subset of events in the broader ongoing warrants a blurb. I've redacted the ongoing nom, that can always be revisited later if these protests continue throughout the next several weeks. Kcmastrpc (talk) 16:07, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose and snow close It was very clear why the previous nomination was not successful. It is absurd to try again. Not notable enough, not ITN-worthy and covered by ongoing. Nothing changed. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Stop abusing SNOW. There are support votes and other proposals to include it in ongoing. Discussion is still going on, closing it prematurely is silly. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:26, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No one here is abusing SNOW. It is entirely rational in this nomination to ask for it. And there is only 1 support vote over 8 clear opplses...this means something. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We are discussing whether or not to put it on ongoing as well. It is far too soon to close. There is literally no reason to rush through this nom, let people have a discussion. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There was already a debate a few days ago, things were explained and nothing has changed. The majority position of the editors was clear. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, even if I personally wouldn't mind adding it to Ongoing (although I don't feel too strongly about it either way), it's pretty clear that the majority here is still against it, and I wouldn't oppose a SNOW close. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    SNOW is for overly bureaucratic and unproductive processes that slow down Wikipedia, I don't see how this discussion being up is really that big of a deal. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 21:30, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and snow close These were already nominated and rejected just over a week ago, and they’re on the downswing anyways. The Kip 14:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Still pretty minor compared to the actual thing they're protesting about. (But yes, please stop calling for SNOW.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I thought we already had something like this that didn't get posted? Regardless, its covered by ongoing Hungry403 (talk) 01:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2024 Panamanian general election[edit]

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Article: 2024 Panamanian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: José Raúl Mulino (pictured) is elected President of Panama. (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo, as, Telemetro
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Not mathematically possible for the opponent to win at this stage. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 02:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose on quality as article still feels bare-bones - there's no prose on the results/aftermath. The Kip 04:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet, article is still missing a lot, and even the list of candidates looks like it hasn't been updated. The "Conduct" section is literally a single sentence. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 23:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait article needs expansion. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment article has been significantly expanded. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 18:51, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Closest finish in NASCAR History[edit]

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Article: 2024 NASCAR Cup Series (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Kyle Larson wins over Chris Buescher in the closest NASCAR Finish ever. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Kyle Larson wins the closest NASCAR finish ever.
News source(s): AP, ESPN, USA Today, NASCAR.com, Washington Post,
Credits:
Nominating per WP:ITN/R. User:Meganinja202 (talk) 03:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is not ITNR. That is for the cumulative winner of the whole of the NASCAR cup, not for any individual race. And while non-ITNR items can be posted, a trivial win (the closest-ever match) is simply not good ITN material, and may be better suited for DYK if the article qualifies there. --Masem (t) 04:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The last closest finsh was 21 years ago, its a event that pratically happens once a decade or two, if ever may happen again Meganinja202 (talk) 04:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Trivial, per above. The Kip 04:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and move for SNOW parochial, sports, trivia This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There had been a few sports stuff added, once was litterally 2 days ago, i dont think that is a reason to opposite
    Also its a theme that certainly will bust the NASCAR bubble in the week, thus i think that is notable enough to be in the News, as i said, is something that happens rearly, once a blue moon., so i dont think is parochial ethier Meganinja202 (talk) 05:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The finish of the 1971 Italian Grand Prix with five drivers separated by less than a second.
  • I think most people using the word "parochial" here would be addressing the fact that's it's an event that's purely internal to the USA. I know that's not enough on it's own to prevent posting, but do we even know what the closest result ever in Formula One racing was? HiLo48 (talk) 05:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The 1971 Italian Grand Prix was the the closest in F1 history was 0.01 seconds. The winning margin in the race in question in this nomination, the 2024 AdventHealth 400, was 0.001 seconds. Howard the Duck (talk) 07:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That was the 1971 Italian Grand Prix and there's an article for that whereas this NASCAR event doesn't seem to have a specific article. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The NASCAR race in question is 2024 AdventHealth 400. Howard the Duck (talk) 07:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    So, that ought to be the target article, right? Andrew🐉(talk) 08:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's right. Howard the Duck (talk) 08:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as trivial. In particular, size of victory margin is not something the competitors are being evaluated on. While it's exciting for the observers, it doesn't make a difference to the result. (It is parochial, but I'm disinclined to oppose sports results just because the sport in question is overwhelmingly popular in only one or two countries. What goes for sumo also goes for NASCAR.) GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:51, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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May 5[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

Politics and elections

Sports


(Posted) RD: César Luis Menotti[edit]

Article: César Luis Menotti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

World Cup winning Football coach.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:19, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait The article is in really bad shape (there's a cn and most paragraphs are a single sentence or line), but I'll try to fix it a bit to make presentable Cambalachero (talk) 02:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC) Oppose: I will not get into a content dispute over an article I hardly care about. The article takes a cherry-picked phrase Menotti said once and uses it to paint him as a socialist, which goes against WP:BALANCE. Truth is, Menotti never made a big deal of his political ideas or engaged in political disputes (compare with Diego Maradona#Political views). Also, the lead image is not free in the United States (it was not free in Argentina at the URAA date) and should be deleted from Commons. Cambalachero (talk) 12:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is probably a discussion for another time and place but I thought Commons was for files that are free, no ifs, no buts. It's very odd that so many Gráfico files are on Commons if they are not entirely free. I know that Italy also has shorter copyright dates and on Italian Wikipedia, there are many files used that are PD in Italy but not in the USA, ergo they are not hosted on Commons. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Long story short: the URAA was challenged as violating the constitution of the US, the Wikimedia Foundation understood that it was not in force, so photos under licenses such as PD-AR-Photo were uploaded in droves. The Supreme Court ratified the URAA in 2012, so a huge number of photos (such as all PD-AR-Photo newer than 1970) are no longer acceptable. That's a huge backlog to process, especially because of Commons' admins wanting to do it case by case instead of en masse. Cambalachero (talk) 16:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Not to beep my own horn but I've made some quite substantial improvements to the page. There may be opinions that there is too much attention given to his political views, but it is true that he held left-wing views, no matter how much he said or didn't say about them. See the academic article "The social, political, and economic causes of violence" by Eugenio Paradiso: "Ironically, Menotti was a communist." That article is from 2009, two years before the book that is cited on Wikipedia. Menotti was a known leftist who had a highly public role that was exploited by a right-wing dictatorship, that is undoubtedly notable. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: the article might use some minor tweaks with citations and syntax, but looks alright overall! Oltrepier (talk) 19:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:38, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The article is still using photos with problematic copyright status. In fact, even more of those than when I made the comment. Cambalachero (talk) 13:43, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: All Menotti-related photos with unsuitable licenses have been nominated for deletion at Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Menotti. Cambalachero (talk) 15:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is about to fall off the page soon. Consensus is building for posting. Users have freedom to believe that the page has improper focus on political views, or that the images are not free, but those viewpoints aren't building traction. Can an admin take a look at this nomination before it becomes old news? Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:10, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Photos nominated for deletion at WCommons have been commented out for the time being. --PFHLai (talk) 15:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Obi Ezeh[edit]

Article: Obi Ezeh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sports Illustrated
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American Football player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Frank Shrontz[edit]

Article: Frank Shrontz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Seattle Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former corporate executive and government official. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 15:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bernard Hill[edit]

Article: Bernard Hill (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British actor. Filmography unsourced but I'll see if I can find some references. Ollieisanerd (talkcontribs) 14:01, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support I found a CV on his talent agency's website (they are mentioned in news reports as announcing his death) and used it to fill in most of the missing references. Johndavies837 (talk) 20:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support looks well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:40, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Filmography section could use a couple more sources, but I don't think its enough to stop this from being posted mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:36, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good enough for posting. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It'd be preferable to use independent sources for his filmography, instead of heavily citing his CV from his talent agency.—Bagumba (talk) 17:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You think they are incorrect? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:REPUTABLE is a basic guideline:

    Articles should be based on reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.

    Bagumba (talk) 00:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's referring to articles in a general sense, and if followed literally would invalidate WP:RSPRIMARY, WP:SELFSOURCE, etc. In this specific context, I don't think it's a problem to use a primary source even if secondary sources are always preferred. Ed [talk] [OMT] 04:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not a black or white issue. There is a place for non-indy sources, but I'll stand by that it's not preferable when indys exist. It was intentionally marked a "comment", and while this might be "good enough" for ITN purposes, I hope its not disputed that PR firms sometimes exaggerate, whether or not it was an issue here. Anyways, it is posted. Best. —Bagumba (talk) 05:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Black Kite (talk) 18:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • ‘Farewell, Master Holbytla!’ [Théoden] said. ‘My body is broken. I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed. I felled the black serpent. A grim morn, and a glad day, and a golden sunset!’ Merry could not speak, but wept anew. [Memory eternal.] -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "Eh Ad, gizza job"... Martinevans123 (talk) 09:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ad Orientem: God dammit, I was gonna say that... 😏 Kurtis (talk) 04:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Brazil floods[edit]

Article: 2024 Brazil floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ More than 83 people have been killed, 291 injured and 111 missing due to Floods in the Brazilian state of Rio Grande do Sul. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Flooding in Rio Grande do Sul in Brazil kills dozens of people and displaces hundreds of thousands from their homes
News source(s): BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera, AP, Guardian, DW, VOA, CNN, NY Times
Credits:

Ainty Painty (talk) 02:06, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Needs expansion, too short for right now. Masem (t) 02:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait article needs a expansion, when ready I'll will Support it. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:00, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait. Page needs expansion and is too short for now, once it's done I'll support it. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 12:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait article needs expansion. LiamKorda 15:17, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks good now. LiamKorda 17:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support if the article can be expanded. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:340C:D133:72B6:623 (talk) 16:43, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely support it, however needs expanding. Glucoboy011 (talk) 16:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article is probably big enough to be on the front page now. Glucoboy011 (talk) 19:27, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as it's definitely notable enough: plus, I've just finished expanding the article by adding some more bits of information. Oltrepier (talk) 17:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support ArionStar (talk) 13:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If this blurb eventually does get published, we should remember to update the number of casualties from time to time since, unfortunately, it's still on the rise. Oltrepier (talk) 08:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Major floods that have caused substantial loss of life, damage and evacuations. The article is in good shape. The floods began over a week ago but are ongoing and have been getting more media coverage; I don't think there's a strong relation to 5 May per se but I'm also in favour of a blurb (not the ongoing section). Altblurb added, which avoids the specific numbers (changing on a daily basis). Note the article has moved to 2024 Rio Grande do Sul floods. Modest Genius talk 12:46, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article is ready now to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:49, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article seems fine. Yakikaki (talk) 16:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 17:55, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May 4[edit]

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Disasters and accidents

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Sports


(Posted) 2024 Kentucky Derby[edit]

Article: 2024 Kentucky Derby (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Mystik Dan wins the 2024 Kentucky Derby, defeating two others in a photo finish. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Mystik Dan wins the 2024 Kentucky Derby.
Alternative blurb II: Mystik Dan wins the 2024 Kentucky Derby in a photo finish.
News source(s): AP, ESPN, USA Today
Credits:
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominating per WP:ITN/R. JRHorse (talk) 03:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Frank Stella[edit]

Article: Frank Stella (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
  • Oppose there are several Cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • No {cn} tags left. Is the intro still too short? Time for a re-review, please? --PFHLai (talk) 05:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article is ready to posted, short intro shouldn't hold this article back. PrinceofPunjabTALK 09:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 16:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Darius Morris[edit]

Article: Darius Morris (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Laker NationBleacher ReportTMZ SportsNew York PostCBS SportsESPN
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

NBA Player.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:59, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support it is a GA. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:08, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: As it has WP:GA status. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 12:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The career statistics table isn't sourced; I presume this is easily remedied. Black Kite (talk) 20:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please take a look added Ref.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support To my recollection, this is the first biography that I have created and taken to WP:GA and seen listed here. I'm very saddened.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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