Talk:Saint Ignatius High School (Cleveland)

Assess

Well done! This is a B. Copyright of song? Victuallers 10:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

More Non-Athletic Acheivements

I think the page does a good job of talking about the school's athletic proficency, but I feel it makes the school look a little one-sided, anybody have any other good non-athletic achievements to add? Or how about some facts and write-ups about things like service or other community issues? --Hutchk26 17:03, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Deleted the reference to where Merlin Murphy lives -- "Shaker Heights, a high-end suburb" -- irrelevent to the topic! Sounds like a real estate promotion. The Murphy's Oil Soap reference is tenuous at best to begin with... (irrelevant trivia)

Need More Notable Alumni

Please add any that you know of. Especially desirable are non-athletic ones.

I am currently a student at the school. I can think only of Mike Hegan, currently a broadcaster for the Tribe. I will get his grad year tomorrow and add him. I will also get Larry Dolan's.-Hornandsoccer 23:13, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I just added George Samenuk, who was recently recognized by the school as a distinguished alumnus, but I do not know his year of graduation.

Perhaps Coach Kyle is deserving of a notable alumni spot as two-time National Coach of the Year.

I'm not opposed to that idea, but the purpose of this section is really to highlight alumni that would be known to the majority of visitors to the page. Do you feel that Coach Kyle meets that criteria (serious question)? http://www.ignatius.edu/advancement/alumni/Awards/default.shtm This link may be of help.

Stop deleting Danny Greene from the notable alumni section. An alumni is defined as someone who graduated or attended a school or university. WRONG. AN ALUMNUS (NOTE PROPER GRAMMAR) IS SOMEONE WHO GRADUATED FROM A SCHOOL.

Wildcat or Wildcats

I noticed that an edit war may be brewing over whether the mascot is "wildcat" or "wildcats". Personally, I've known it is the wildcat, not the plural. Perhaps it shouldn't be changed until a concensus is reached.-Hornandsoccer 21:26, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't see an edit war occuring, as it was the same user who changed it to "Wildcat" and then back to "Wildcats" here: [1]. In any event, the correct reference is the plural one. One quick look at the St. Ignatius High School website will reveal such. -- backburner001 22:53, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Ooops, that was thick. Sorry for wasting space-Hornandsoccer

If no one objects within 24 hours, then I am going to delete this section that I so stupidly started.-Hornandsoccer 21:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I object. Your mistake was an honest one. Other editors, upon assuming good faith (as they should), will see that and grant you Wiki-forgiveness for what you call your stupidity. I doubt making such a minor mistake (if you can call it that, even) will discredit your credibility as an editor (if that's what you're worried about). So I see no need to delete the discussion; keeping talk pages current versions complete is (in my opinion) part of the spirit of Wiki-editing. -- backburner001 23:23, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Just another step in the WikiLife Circle, I suppose. Hornandsoccer 00:35, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Lack of Citations

The article as a whole lacks any references to outside sources. We must be reminded that Wikipedia has a no original research policy. This article, especially the athletic and academic achievement sections, need to cite sources in accordance with this policy. While I will attempt to locate the sources for the achievements (as a St. Edward grad this is hard for me to do!), it would probably be easiest for those who contributed to the material to do so. DrewAC07 02:11, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Currently working to alleviate this problem-Hornandsoccer 21:53, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Arts Additions

Just a thought, but whoever added the information on the arts programs was way over the top. Now, being a student who is involved in the arts programs, this is kind of odd. I know a few of these teachers very well. But, in the larger scope, who really cares what classes David Roth teaches or how amazing the faculty is. I would revert all of this myself, but considering its size and the fact that some of it should stay, I want to hear from others on this.-Hornandsoccer 14:12, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a faculty directory; few of the university articles here even list this many faculty members. I'd suggest nixing all but the most notable of facts in that section. If someone could write reasonably complete sections on other aspects of the school, that'd be great. This article is actually unique among many US high school articles in that it focuses on the arts, rather than the core academic subjects or (especially) athletic programs. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 07:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree and have removed most of the content in the last paragraph which mentions who teaches what courses. -- backburner001 17:44, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Featured Article?

I would like to see this article reach Featured Article status. Before starting the process in earnest, I would like any comments on potential immediate improvement that can be made to the article before asking for a peer review. Thanks in advance!-Hornandsoccer 22:03, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Almost nothing is cited. I assume 99%, if not all, of it is true, but one of the many requirements of featured articles is proper citation. Also, I'd suggest attempting to attain good article status first. Once that is completed, the majority of your work towards featured status would be done. --Wildnox(talk) 22:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm working on citing some of it, but I admit I'm not the most skilled Wikipedian. Hornandsoccer can probably do much more citing work because he is oodles more intelligent than myself. Oodles. Demosthenes 1 02:59, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I've got just about all of the alumni cited, and I'm going to begin rewriting the academic and sports sections this week.-Hornandsoccer20:55, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I've added several ^{citation needed} tags throughout the article; I hope this will help. Feel free to revert my additions if they prove detrimental. RAmen, Demosthenes 19:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I just did a copyedit, and I was going to add {{Unreferencedsec}} tags, but then I realized that they would probably cover the page. The alumni section should actually be pruned, or possibly split into another article, and the history and academic sections need to be greatly expanded and referenced if you hope to make this a featured article. Take a look at Stuyvesant High School to get an idea of how this article should look when you're finished. Also, the citations that currently lead to the high school's homepage should actually link to the page containing the cited information, because they're practically useless in their present state. --Confiteordeo 16:08, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'll get going on the ignatius website refs. I'm going to do a little more research at school before starting to add to the history section. How do you think the alumni section should be split?-Hornandsoccer _Contribs^Talk 16:16, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Maybe this site will help with the history research, too. You've probably already used it, but it might help. RAmen, Demosthenes 18:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Another thing we can work on is adding pictures to the article. I noticed that the Stuyvesant High School that Confiteordeo suggested had several pictures of the campus and school publications. RAmen, Demosthenes 17:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I was thinking about that too. I'm gonna talk to talk to Jon Jarc sometime in the next few weeks to see if he can help us out with that.-Hornandsoccer _Contribs^Talk 18:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Alumni as its Own Article

I fixed all of the ignatius links. I think it would be a good idea to split the alumni section into its own article. I think it would be a good idea to mention a few on the ignatius page too, probably four or five. Murlan J. Murphy, Tim Mack, Brian K. Vaughan, and Anthony Gonzalez would be my four. Does anyone object or think that someone else should be in that group?-Hornandsoccer _Contribs^Talk 22:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I think making the alumni section its own article is a great idea, and I agree with your choices for people to keep on this page. RAmen, Demosthenes 17:19, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Alumni of Saint Ignatius High School (Cleveland, Ohio) I made it there, please someone clean it up and take the alumni out of this article. Thanks, RAmen, Demosthenes 18:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I'll work on cleaning it up-Hornandsoccer _Contribs^Talk 19:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Additions and Corrections

Who is maintaining this page? There is a horribly biased slant towards arts and speech and debate. Whoever claims that atheletics are too stressed is greatly mistaken, because the first acolades to be lauded in this section are consistently from the arts program, the chorus, or speech and debate, which in my mind poorly represents the school. I feel more should be stressed on the amazing athletic acheivements of the past twenty years, including four national championships, and perhaps an article analyzing the extreme difficulty in academics at the school. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.149.15.217 (talk) 18:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

I have maintained it, however, I have not added any of the major sections on the arts. I did not feel it appropriate for me to do so considering I am in that program. Actually, come to think of it, I deleted almost half of it a couple of months ago. If you want to add more on athletics, by all means, do so. However, counterbias will not be tolerated. If you think a change will cause an issue, post it here on the talk page first. I will try to remove the bias as my time allows.-Hornandsoccer _Contribs^Talk 20:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe that the arts and debate and such were stressed in an effort to avoid stressing athletics, which is a typical problem. But, I also agree that the focus on the artsy-fartsy was a tad overdone. The current material in the arts and debate sections is fine as it is, but perhaps more could be added to the athletics to reach an even amount of information and remove any bias information either way. Demosthenes 1 02:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)!

Agreed. We need to do more profiling on the awards that the sports teams have won and the success that Ignatius sports have had, especially as compared with other high schools.-Hornandsoccer _Contribs^Talk 05:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Someone added a link to the rugby club page here; just wondering if everybody was alright with this. Maybe we could put the link in the athletic achievements section? RAmen, Demosthenes 19:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Murlan J. Murphy

If Murlan J. Murphy did not invent Murphy's Oil Soap (apparently his great grandfather did), why is he listed that way? EagleFan 15:51, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I just wanted to put down the most well-known ones-I'll change the caption-Hornandsoccer _Contribs^Talk 16:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Would it be better if I put a different alum in his place? -Hornandsoccer _Contribs^Talk 22:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Citations

Ok, we have a fair majority of the information in the article cited. The problem is that 60% of the cites are from the Ignatius website or from an Ignatius publication. This means that they do not qualify as independent sources of information, and therefore would not be acceptable in a review. I'm ok with leaving the information as is for the moment, but cites will need to be replaced with better, independent ones, as is possible. If this means that some information cannot be included under this policy, it may not be possible to get this article above a B-class ranking-Hornandsoccer _Contribs^Talk 05:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks for the tips-Hornandsoccer _Contribs^Talk 01:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

EL removal

I removed a link to the Warrior Rugby club. Here is the link. I removed the link because the club is not officially tied to the school, so much so that the club was forced to change its name from Wildcat Rugby to Warrior Rugby. Even if the club officially becomes part of the school, I think the link may be unnesseccary since links to the pages of individual school clubs seems slightly unencyclopedic. --Wildnox(talk) 01:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, if we were to include that link, we would be forced to include links for crew, lacrosse, and whatever other sports have their own websites. That would be really unnecessary.-Hornandsoccer^Talk 02:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we should mention that a Rugby team/club/whatever exists, albeit unrelated to the school. That whould probably make everyone happy. RAmen, Demosthenes 00:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

The school itself has vehemently protested any connection to the club, probably for insurance reasons. If the school itself is unwilling to acknowledge a connection, then it is not a fact related to Saint Ignatius. It would not be proper. Hornandsoccer^Talk 00:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

another athlete

what about Pat Massey (Michigan), Jim Ramella (Boston college), Brian Neff (Brown University), and Kevin Koncelik (Miami Ohio) as notable alumni? All got full rides to play football.

Since I've never heard of any of those guys, I'm sorry to say they're not notable. At least not yet. Sorry, pal - and please sign next time, RAmen, Demosthenes 00:36, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Great WEP Crack of '09

Don't be hatin on tha cracks

71.74.237.164 (talk) 04:11, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

• I'm not ... wouldn't have minded doing it myself back in my day, but this article is not the place for this particular bit of SIHS history. Krocheck (talk) 03:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)