Talk:Islam in Russia

general consensus?

"General consensus amongst most observers is that Islam is currently the most rapidly growing religion within the borders of Russia." - Serious sources are needed for this. All sociologists of religion I am aware of are convinced that Protestantism is the most rapidly growing religion in Russia. Unless everyone of "Muslim origin" is automatically classified as Muslim, this claim is at the very least strongly debatable. 128.112.70.37 (talk) 16:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

According to the State Department?

what state? whos state department?! please try not to assume we are all from the same country that you are!

- la gaie 04:32, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Oops - that was US–Gnomz⁰⁰⁷(?) 22:27, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

this page is missing articles. fixy fixy. Muigwithania 20:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

"Ehnic Muslims" term

Such term is incorrect in case with Russia. Just watch any research results and see that less then half of so-called "EM" are either Atheists or Christians. Any reasonable need in citating tables of "EM". Removed'em Ballestrain

Conversion to Christianity: Subjective Sources?

I was curious as to why Silantyev was cited continuously in the article? Most scholars appreciate citing a source no more than twice on a page. MPA 02:49, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

The "Arabian caricature"

The caricature that appears on the right side of the page is not an Arabian propaganda caricature. First of all, it reads: "Bakü'de Müslüman kabristanlığı". Which means "Muslim cemetery in Baku" in Turkish. Second, since it was written in Ottoman/Persian alphabet but in Turkish language, it makes little to no sense that Arabs wrote it. Ottomans, whose population included large numbers of Turks, have felt sympathy towards Azeris and other Turkic peoples of Russia, and have always expressed their "distaste" for Russian rule in Caucasia and Central Asia. Therefore, the caricature must belong to Ottoman times, and was clearly and definately written in Turkish, be it Azeri or Ottoman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.231.159.215 (talk) 21:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Rise in hate crimes

The crimes in this paragraph are about nationalistic, ethnic xenophobia, not about religious hate. Speaking in terms of wikipedia policy, no reliable sources are given, proving that this crimes are a sort of a islamophobia. Furthermore, it is written about "racist attacks" in this article. that's correct. but it has no direct link to persecution of muslims. I've no doubt, that the majority of neo-nazis, who commited those crimes, do not like islam. But nevertheles, the victims were chosen not by religion but by ethnicity.--95.25.225.44 (talk) 07:06, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Typo in re-direct

Can someone help? It should read RussiaN Federation, not Russia Federation

A seventh of Russia's population?

The opening paragraphs says, "According to Reuters, Muslim minorities make up a seventh (14%) of Russia's population" and cites a Reuters article from 2011, which does not in turn give any kind of citation for it's claim. This seems very spurious indeed, especially when the 'Islam' section of the Religion in Russia page directly contradicts the 14% claim.

Amend to something with a reasonable source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smudgiebuggler (talk • contribs) 01:45, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

World War II

This section contains just one sentence, and is one-sided. There is more to say about it; check the note for more information.Koos van den beukel (talk) 10:39, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

And secondly I think part of "History of Islam in Russia" is not so clearly written. Some parts seem incoherent. While translating this article in Dutch, I made several changes but I don't trust myself making these changes in proper English. I copy/paste this part of the article here:

"The period from the Russian conquest of Kazan in 1552 to the ascension of Catherine the Great in 1762 featured systematic Russian repression of Muslims through policies of exclusion and discrimination - as well as the destruction of Muslim culture by the elimination of outward manifestations of Islam such as mosques. The Russians initially demonstrated a willingness in allowing Islam to flourish as Muslim clerics were invited into the various regions to preach to the Muslims, particularly the Kazakhs, whom the Russians viewed with contempt. However, Russian policy shifted toward weakening Islam by introducing pre-Islamic elements of collective consciousness. Such attempts included methods of eulogizing pre-Islamic historical figures and imposing a sense of inferiority by sending Kazakhs to highly élite Russian military institutions. In response, Kazakh religious leaders attempted to bring religious fervor by espousing pan-Turkism, though many were persecuted as a result. The government of Russia paid Islamic scholars from the Ural-Volga area working among the Kazakhs.

Russian slavery did not have racial restrictions. Russian girls were legally allowed to be sold in Russian controlled Novgorod to Tatars from Kazan in the 1600s by Russian law. Germans, Poles, and Lithuanians were allowed to be sold to Crimean Tatars in Moscow. In 1665 Tatars were allowed to buy from the Russians, Polish and Lithuanian slaves. Before 1649 Russians could be sold to Muslims under Russian law in Moscow. This contrasted with other places in Europe outside Russia where Muslims were not allowed to own Christians.

The Cossack institution recruited and incorporated Muslim Mishar Tatars. Cossack rank was awarded to Bashkirs. Muslim Turkics and Buddhist Kalmyks served as Cossacks. The Cossack Ural, Terek, Astrakhan, and Don Cossack hosts had Kalmyks in their ranks. Mishar Muslims, Teptiar Muslims, service Tatar Muslims, and Bashkir Muslims joined the Orenburg Cossack Host. Cossack non Muslims shared the same status with Cossack Siberian Muslims. Muslim Cossacks in Siberia requested an Imam. Cossacks in Siberia included Tatar Muslims like in Bashkiria.

Bashkirs and Kalmyks in the Russian military fought against Napoleon's forces. They were judged suitable for inundating opponents but not intense fighting. They were in a non standard capacity in the military. Arrows, bows, and melee combat weapons were wielded by the Muslim Bashkirs. Bashkir women fought among the regiments. Denis Davidov mentioned the arrows and bows wielded by the Bashkirs. Napoleon's forces faced off against Kalmyks on horseback. Napoleon faced light mounted Bashkir forces. Mounted Kalmyks and Bashkirs numbering 100 were available to Russian commandants during the war against Napoleon. Kalmyks and Bashkirs served in the Russian army in France. A nachalnik was present in every one of the 11 cantons of the Bashkir host which was created by Russia after the Pugachev Rebellion. Bashkirs had the military statute of 1874 applied to them. Best regards, Koos van den beukel (talk) 11:04, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Why the hell are there 23(seriously twenty-fucking-three!) citations for "Obama ice cream"?

- 188.238.46.138 (talk) 01:00, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

12-15%?

The summary writes the Muslim population as being reported as 12-15%, would it be accurate to say that, and does this refer to traditionally Muslim ethnic groups? The surveys mentioned suggest a Muslim population of around 6%, so what if it was changed to something such as 'most surveys find that around 6% of the population are Muslim' and then mention this higher estimate (which is also uncommon) afterwards? Mellk (talk) 20:44, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Obama ice cream

References 63-86 are too excessive over one minor detail. Most need to be removed. Mellk (talk) 14:54, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Different estimates

This article shouldn't rely on one single source, since there seems to be a general discord on how many Muslims actually live in Russia. A lot of other sources suggest a much higher number of Muslims than the reported survey. They should be at least mentioned in the article. Here are some examples

• CIA World Factbook: 10-15%
• Pew Research Center: 10%
• Russia Today: 15%
• Russia Beyond the Headlines: 12-15%
• Joshua Project: 9.9%
• The Association of Religion Data Archives: 10.39%

References

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Are these really relevant incidents?

The article mentions that:

"A Muslim Tatar owned supermarket in Tatarstan sold calendars with images of American President Obama depicted as a monkey and initially refused to apologize for selling the calendar.[66][67] They were then forced to issue an apology later.[68]

In Tatarstan a Muslim Tatar staffed ice cream factory produced Obamka (little Obama) ice cream with packaging showing an earring-wearing black child and staff members like director of finance Anatoli Ragimkhanov and Rasil Mustafin, deputy development director defended the sale.[69][70][71]"

What exactly makes these instances relevant enough to be mentioned in the Wikipedia article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:EE82:7701:4032:7D9A:7F5F:272A (talk) 20:38, 24 February 2022 (UTC)