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Unsourced, dubious changes from 2008[edit]

I was reading the article when I came across this strange quote, allegedly from 1964 (emphasis added):

I cannot remember how they first came to be offered to us. But they were distributed in the dressing rooms. We didn't have to take them but most of the players did. The tablets were mostly white but once or twice they were yellow. They were used through the 1961–62 season and the championship season which followed it. Drug-taking had previously been virtually unnamed in the club. But once it had started we could have as many tablets as we liked. On match days they were handed out to most players as a matter of course. Soon some of the players could not do without the drugs. Now in Professional sports only 34% of the Athletes use Performance enhancing drugs. (Gabbert, Michael: How we uncovered the Everton drug scandal, The People, UK, 13 September 1964)

I found it strange that someone had used language like the highlighted sentence already in 1964. I have no access to the original article, but I used WP:WikiBlame to discover who added this. Turns out, the original quote – added in Dec 2007 – was amended by 198.174.207.1 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) in April 2008. The IP user's other contributions seem strange, including this one where he changed the first question from the 1972 Olympics survey. It turns out, this latter change seems to contradict this source, which I take to mean the user was only experimenting with editing. I have thus reverted these almost four-year-old changes to the article. --hydrox (talk) 23:53, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Influence of popular culture[edit]

In addition to pressures from coaches and athletic programs, individuals are often times influenced by the media and popular culture. I think it would be wise to note the effect of the media on amateur athletes. Many individuals may believe these drugs are permissible based on the fact that professional athletes use them. MozHoag28 (talk) 22:39, 8 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Edits[edit]

Just letting everyone know that I will be adding a section to this article under the NFL section. This section will include some statistics on NFL steroid use, recent cases, and the NFL performance-enhancing drug policy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MozHoag28 (talk • contribs) 13:48, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Anabolic Steroids have major scientific side effects on the body; the negative effects that steroids have on the body should be the main the reason why baseball bans players from using them. Here are all the health issues that a player will have to deal with sometime or another during and after the use of steroids. There are strong indications that tumors of the liver are caused when the anabolic steroids contain a 17-alpha-alkyl group. Also anabolic steroids may lead to hepatic carcinoma. A well known side effect of AS in males is breast formation (gynecomastia). Gynecomastia is caused by increased levels of circulating estrogens, which are typical female sex hormones. Most of the investigations have been focused on risk factors for cardiovascular diseases, and in particular the effect of anabolic steroids on blood pressure and on plasma lipoproteins. Anabolic steroid users may become dependent on the drug, with symptoms of withdrawal after cessation of drug use. The withdrawal symptoms consist of aggressive and violent behavior, mental depression with suicidal behavior, mood changes, and in some cases acute psychosis. Steroids also have some side effects that aren't as bad. They are premature balding or hair loss, dizziness, mood swings, including anger, aggression, and depression, believing things that aren't true (delusion), extreme feelings of mistrust or fear (paranoia), problems sleeping, nausea and vomiting, trembling, high blood pressure that can damage the heart or blood vessels over time, aching joints, greater chance of injuring muscles and tendons, jaundice or yellowing of the skin; liver damage, urinary problems, shortening of final adult height, and increased risk of developing heart disease, stroke, and some types of cancer. Steroids pose an unfair advantage for players that use them. They help athletes get stronger, run fasterWell, when I think of steroids I think of an image. You have the advantage over someone, which is a form of cheating. I guess it wouldn't be right unless it was legal for everybody. Reason it's not legal for everybody is because it can hurt people seriously (Brainy Quote)." With steroids, players have broken records that people thought would never be broken. Steroids have been around in sports for a long time. It wasn't until 2004 that steroids have become such a big problem. Steroids are killing the integrity of the game. A lot of the big time players in Major League Baseball that own records have been able to achieve those records because of the use of steroids, and that's not right. There have been a lot of athletes that kids look up to that have accomplished their goals by not using steroids. Those are the athletes that we should be hearing about in the news, not the ones that cheat. Steroids give an unfair advantage to the people who use them. It makes them run faster, jump higher, and pitch faster. The most important thing about using steroids is the fact that it destroys your body. Not only are steroids dangerous but the injection of steroids is just as dangerous. As the saying goes "cheaters never win," and with the new restrictions they won't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runninlope10 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Technology Doping[edit]

I have a dispute with respect to potential technology doping in Controversies at the 2012 Summer Olympics: Technologies used for Olympic sports I'm not sure if anyone can help, or if this is the correct place to ask. The section starts:

You may wish to include a section on Technology doping on this board as well.--Andromedean (talk) 17:53, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Doping in sport Mike Cline (talk) 17:50, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Use of performance-enhancing drugs in sport → Doping in sports – It is the common term according to the article. Also, the current name is a bit unwieldy and the new title is a wider brief. Target is currently a redir. New name will match Category:Doping Category:Doping in sport and the other [Doping in ...] articles. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 23:58, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support, doping: "The use of drugs to improve athletic performance." This will also led to a much more concise title. --The Evil IP address (talk) 22:04, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support - As per WP:COMMONNAME --JetBlast (talk) 22:30, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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It's 'sportS", not "sport". More than one sport has evidence of doping in it, there are multiple sports. If you'd like to continue to be pedantic, you may select "sporting". Otherwise, it shall be "sportS". As in: "This man is quite good at sports." which is similar to "This man is quite good at athletics." One does not say "This man is quite good at athlete." Otherwise it's a nice page, just clean-up the pedantic, upper-class British English violations! Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2610:130:103:E00:307E:C788:FDCA:4210 (talk) 17:44, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Would you like vinegar on those chips? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.240.231.4 (talk) 09:30, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Categories are a mess[edit]

Several of the categories are dead links.--Froglich (talk) 07:28, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism[edit]

I have reverted to an earlier edition of this article after some pro-doping vandalism on the page. 116.247.88.119 (talk) 07:38, 9 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Peer Review Wikiproject:Medicine[edit]

Hi User:VivamusAmemus,

Great edits overall. One section that I am interested in seeing improved is testing methods. I think improving this section would drastically increase the readership of this article.

Cheers, Salubrious Toxin (talk) 00:20, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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No-Needle-Policy[edit]

-> Talk:Cycle_sport#No-Needle-Policy --Itu (talk) 01:01, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Anabolic Steroids -- Jay Silvester's 1984 Questionnaire[edit]

Aside from not being cited, this questionnaire adds nothing to the value of the article. What is notable about how athletes responded to these questions in 1984? I would consider outright removing mention of it, including the table of responses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.167.187.72 (talk) 14:02, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The Harmful Impacts of “Masculinity"[edit]

How can the Wikipedia article covering steroid abuse leave out body dysmorphia, toxic masculinity, etc? Talking about the social pressures that encourage steroid abuse is crucial to ending it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EnunciationOfTruth (talk • contribs) 07:59, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Then it should also be mentioned that many women tend to be especially kind to strong and successful athletes – should this be conversely labeled as “toxic feminity” ? When you take a good look at it, deep down, most endeavours of men are primarily aimed at pleasing women, so perhaps if women on average changed their preferences, men on average would be less inclined to engage in risky activities to prove their masculinity, which is still a largely desired trait among women, perhaps even more so than 50 years ago... That's completely off-topic of course (the article is already convoluted enough as it is, and there are already specific articles about body dysmorphia, which is a whole other topic), but you're coming off as someone who has a lot of certainty on that kind of subject, a quite narrow and binary perception of the root causes of all the evils in this world. The “Truth” is never that simple.--Abolibibelot (talk) 12:25, 10 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned references in Doping in sport[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Doping in sport's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "NYT160813":

  • From Olympic Games: Ruiz, Rebecca R. (13 August 2016). "The Soviet Doping Plan: Document Reveals Illicit Approach to '84 Olympics". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 3 September 2016.
  • From Doping in Russia: Ruiz, Rebecca R. (13 August 2016). "The Soviet Doping Plan: Document Reveals Illicit Approach to '84 Olympics". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Retrieved 2016-09-03.

Reference named "Hunt2007":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 05:08, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]


Possible misspellings of stimulants[edit]

"mephendrone", "ephendrome" - I do not think these words mean what the author intended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itdaniher (talk • contribs) 17:39, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Itdaniher: I have fixed the spellings and added links to the relevant Wikipedia articles. Thank you for noticing the errors and pointing them out here. Deli nk (talk) 18:04, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is it really necessary to have an entire section dedicated to association football? All it seems to say is isn't very much doping in football, which I imagine could be said (and supported) for most professional sports. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.193.114.245 (talk) 17:29, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fact error[edit]

More recently, a participant in an endurance walking race in Britain, Abraham Wood, said in 1807 that he had used laudanum (which contains opiates) to keep him awake for 24 hours while competing against Robert Barclay Allardyce.


That is not right! Abraham Wood quited race due to stomach spasm. Multiple sources show Laudanum been given to him after 22 miles in the race by his friends who secretly betted against him. Although, that hasn't been proved and bets were paid. This is a good early example of rigging sports events, but not performance-enhancing drugs history.

Those are my sources:

Page 55-56 https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OYfeCQAAQBAJ&pg=PA55&lpg=PA55&dq=barclay+vs+wood+pedestrians&source=bl&ots=mPvO2H57Ht&sig=ACfU3U0w76wxo-Dst_nJ88IkpeMImz6kaA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjb_4fb0eboAhWEUBUIHfMoBWAQ6AEwAXoECAsQLw#v=snippet&q=laudanum&f=false

Page 120 https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-SVhAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA97&lpg=PA97&dq=abraham+wood+1807&source=bl&ots=Lr1KGqVbW6&sig=ACfU3U282Q0CNYng46pvO78xRgLxZ2L_Yg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjp74Kax-boAhUKTBUIHeduBa0Q6AEwA3oECAsQKQ#v=onepage&q=laudanum&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.174.237.108 (talk) 00:49, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Decide if non-banned drugs can be "doping".[edit]

Article begins by defining "doping" as banned PEDs, but in several places "doping" is used for cases where nothing had been banned yet. English dictionaries go either way on this, but a single article should be consistent.

Unspecific steroid section[edit]

I removed the following section, because it is pretty bad, for multiple reasons:

  • It is one long paragraph followed by Wikipedia:Citation overkill, so it is very hard to connect each claim to each reference for verification.
  • It just mentions "steroids" without further specification, which is pretty much worthless, because it may refer to for example corticosteroids, mineralocorticoids, estrogen and progesterone, which have much different effects than testosterone and the likes.
  • There is already a section on anabolic steroids basically next to it.

Mikael Häggström (talk) 21:39, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Steroids[edit]

Over the last 20 years the appearance of steroids in sports has been seen as an epidemic. Research and limited tests have been conducted only to find short-term, reversible effects on athletes that are both physical and mental. These side effects would be alleviated if athletes were allowed the use of controlled substances under proper medical supervision. These side-effects include intramuscular abscesses and other microbial bacteria that can cause infections, from counterfeited products the user decides to purchase on the black market, high blood pressure and cholesterol, as well as infertility, and dermatological conditions like severe acne. Mental effects include increased aggression and depression, and in rare cases suicide has been seen as well. Most studies on the effects of steroids have shown to be improper and lacking credible tests as well as performing studies in a skewed fashion to predetermine the world's view on the use of steroids in sports. Long-term effects have not been identified due to the recency of testing, but are expected to show up as early steroid users reach the age of 50 and older. [1][2][3][4]

References

  1. ^ Landy Justin F., Walco Daniel K., Bartels Daniel M. (2017). "What's Wrong with using Steroids? Exploring Whether and Why People Oppose the use of Performance Enhancing Drugs". Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. 113 (3): 377–392. doi:10.1037/pspa0000089. PMID 28481619. S2CID 19387018.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  2. ^ Piacentino Daria, Casale Antonio, Aromatario Maria, Pomara Cristoforo, Girardi Paolo, Sani Gabriele (2015). "Anabolic-androgenic Steroid use and Psychopathology in Athletes. A Systematic Review". Current Neuropharmacology. 13 (1): 101–21. doi:10.2174/1570159x13666141210222725. PMC 4462035. PMID 26074746.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  3. ^ Pope Harrison G., Wood Ruth I., Rogol Alan, Nyberg Fred, Bowers Larry, Bhasin Shalender (2014). "Adverse Health Consequences of Performance-Enhancing Drugs: An Endocrine Society Scientific Statement". Endocrine Reviews. 35 (3): 341–75. doi:10.1210/er.2013-1058. PMC 4026349. PMID 24423981.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
  4. ^ "Special Report: To Cheat or Not to Cheat". Sports Illustrated. 29 May 2012.

Help?[edit]

Perhaps someone can help address the issues raised here 2603:7000:2143:8500:B8EA:D7F1:9659:CA9C (talk) 22:54, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Enhanced Games[edit]

For the interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:38, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Life orientation[edit]

Illegal substance in sport 41.13.94.167 (talk) 15:23, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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