Talk:Charles de Gaulle

Too long

This article is 164 kb of prose, well over the 100k limit. I am not familiar enough with de Gaulle to say exactly how to break out some sub articles though. Perhaps an article for first presidency, and for second presidency, plus maybe one for his war years and one for early life? CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 19:40, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

I also support splitting; the article is long, but has good content. Editors willing to tackle this page should favor splits over deletions, and check whether any large removals from this article may deserve reinstatement in splitoff articles. DFlhb (talk) 14:57, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

A Week Younger?

I believe he was born seven days latter than stated. This would make him; a week younger, he would be born under a different star sign (the half man half horse one with an arrow) and he would share a birthday with the last 20th century president of the French republic, Jacques Chirac, on the penultimate day on the penultimate month of the year, the 29th of November, a day which interestingly (and perhaps significantly) has been chosen by terrorists to carry out atrocities in South London in recent years. It might be a good idea to see what day the great man himself said he celebrated his birthday on by having a look in his autobiography ( 31.52.124.188 (talk) 14:04, 13 February 2022 (UTC) ).

word missing in Churchill quote? under confrontation in Syria and Lebanon

sorry, I don't have any way to verify the quote.

it quotes Churchill as saying "a great danger to peace and for Great Britain..."

the same typo appears in this quote on the page for the Levant Crisis 218.214.188.78 (talk) 03:15, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Variety of English

This article currently contains a mix of American and British spellings, and has ever since its creation in 2002 (armored, but neighbour). By revision 27211288 of 01:48, 3 November 2005, although there was still a mixture of spellings, there seemed to be a tendency somewhat in favor of British spelling (18-12):

• AE: armored criticiz*-2 Defense favor harbor honor organization-2 recognized revitalize traumatizing
• BE: armoured-2 characterised criticised defence harboured labour-4 mechanised organised recognise revitalise satirised specialised sympathiser-2

As this tendency is also in accord with a certain level of ties to England for this topic (where de Gaulle spent the war years and marshalled his forces), I think it's reasonable to unify the spelling to British English per MOS:RETAIN and MOS:TIES, and to add the {{use British English}} template to the article. Before making this change, let's hold off for a week, to see if any objections or other comments are forthcoming. Mathglot (talk) 18:42, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Replacement of the entire lead on 6 April by IP user via LLM

On 7 April at 01:52, IP user 2600:1702:3650:9050:88E3:9399:5608:8A92 (talk · contribs) replaced the lead of Charles de Gaulle in (diff; permalink). This user has no edits before today, and has replaced leads on eight biographies of French politicians or statesmen. In my opinion, these have all been generated by Chat GPT (I've been experimenting a fair bit, and I recognize the style, now.) The lead is pretty good, but it doesn't necessarily summarize the most important points in the body of *this* article, and I'm not convinced everything in it is already covered in more detail in the lead, where references can be found. If you'd like to compare this lead to one created by Chat GPT for this article, see /Chat GPT lead experiment. Finally, I'm not sure how to deal with this, so I plan to bring it to ANI for wider discussion. Meanwhile, I am reverting it. 05:33, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

See this ANI discussion. Mathglot (talk) 18:25, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

List of honours - citation and check needed over British award

I have raised a citation need over the alleged award of Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order (post nominal initials GCVO), which is uncited and undated. He does appear in the List of recipients of the Royal Victorian Chain, a distinctly separate honour, awarded when President of the French Republic in 1960. Wonder if there might be a confusion between the two? He definitely does not appear in the list of Knights and Dames Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order awarded by George VI or Elizabeth II between 1952-1977, although I note the recipients named all seem to be British or British Commonwealth subjects. Had he been made a GCVO on an honorary basis that is awarded to foreigners?Cloptonson (talk) 18:34, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Bold move to reduce bloat

Hi, XTheBedrockX, I noticed your bold move (diff) of a big chunk of information from this page over to the new Charles de Gaulle during World War II; thanks for your efforts, it needed it. The size of this article was problematic, and certainly needed reduction (and likely still does). I note from the diff that you mostly either kept-or-moved, paragraph by paragraph, so whatever was left here in the end, is word-for-word the same as it was before. I think that's fine for starters, but I hope you're planning to continue the process in section § Second World War, leader of the Free French in exile so that it follows WP:Summary style.

What I mean by that, is that the section here should become a summary of the child article, meaning likely there won't be anything left here that contains anything word-for-word matching what it was before when it's done. The section even now after the major cull still remains the largest section in the article, with 37.4kb of wikicode and six subsections (see 'section sizes' in the header banners above). That's half again as large as the next largest section, which doesn't even have its own article. Now that this one does, it would be great to cut it back a whole lot further; ideally, by moving all of the remaining content over to the new article, and then replacing what's here with a summary of the other one.

One method to consider, which is also a method mentioned at WP:SS, is that once you're happy with the child article and feel you've written a good WP:LEAD section summarizing it, simply copy that lead back here, as your new summary section for the parent article. (And add a few refs here, if the lead over there doesn't have any.) Anyway, good job, it needed it, and if you've a mind to, keep going! I don't have a ton of time to help with this right now, but I do happen to have a copy of De Gaulle et la Libération from the library right now—it's focused pretty tightly on events of the summer and autumn of 1944, but if it would help you to have specific passages from it that are not visible in Google books, lmk and maybe I can help. Mathglot (talk) 05:54, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Lede November 2023

User:Nikkimaria by this edit: [1] has reduced the size of the lede by 1,556 bytes. It seems to me though that the first para of the lede adequately summarises de Gaulle and we don't then need the following 3 paragraphs which are effectively just an expanded lede. Thoughts? Mztourist (talk) 05:22, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

If you're proposing only keeping the first paragraph of the lead: it's quite standard to have 4-paragraph leads for articles of this length. DFlhb (talk) 07:51, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Is it quite standard to summarize his life in the 1st para and then expand that in the 2nd to 4th paras? Isn't that what the body of the page is for? Mztourist (talk) 08:55, 10 November 2023 (UTC)