Talk:Bolt Thrower

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Former featured article candidateBolt Thrower is a former featured article candidate. Please view the links under Article milestones below to see why the nomination failed. For older candidates, please check the archive.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
January 30, 2005Peer reviewReviewed
February 6, 2005Featured article candidateNot promoted
Current status: Former featured article candidate

Featured article candidate?[edit]

According to the notices on the top of this page, this article has been a featured article candidate, but I can't find any info about the nomination or its rejection (all the links seem to go to edit pages). Does anyone know where that information is? Rbarreira 21:40, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated it Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Bolt_Thrower it has since been renamed Spearhead 22:10, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Grindcore[edit]

They were Grindcore originally, so i added it. Take it down if you can prove they wernt.Captaincookie 11:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

they never were grind. they had some hardcore punk influence, early on. furthermore they're straight death. Spearhead 15:54, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
2 things: First, I removed this paragraph because it's written horribly and makes little sense- "Primary to popular belief ...For Victory wasn't comeback to bolt thrower's grindcore roots (War Master, Realm of Chaos). Metal-Encyclopedia Anus and Earache records call the ...For Victory to grindcore because bolt thrower take a more Godflesh influence to ...For Victory and Godflesh is a own band of Napalm Death-former Justin K Broadrick."
Also, I think you can make a strong argument that Bolt Thrower can be considered a grindcore band. Listen to "In Battle There Is No Law"; the use of blast beats, the layering of guitar rythms against the drum beat, etc. Yes, there is a hardcore punk influence, but isn't grindcore really just a combination of fast/heavy thrash or death metal with fast hardcore (i.e. Napalm Death)? Death metal and grindcore are often very similar and a lot of bands combine both styles, including Suffocation, Exhumed and Bolt Thrower. They certainly aren't a "straight death" band, if you want that listen to Baphomet or Massacra. I'm going to edit the page to mention something like "Bolt Thrower are considered by some part of the grind genre".Jowe27 18:26, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Grindcore[edit]

I think Realm of Chaos and ..For Victory is a Bolt Thrower's only grindcore releases.

they never were grind. they had some hardcore punk influence, early on. furthermore they're straight death.Spearhead 17:51, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The first album was definitely grindcore! 202.78.240.7 03:25, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed category[edit]

Removed Birmingham bands category as they are from Coventry, not Birmingham. Bubba hotep 20:07, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

they're from around brum. Whale and Karl are from brum, Jo and Gav live in Leamington Spa and Baz is from Coventry. Spearhead 20:37, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It didn't mention Birmingham at all in the text so that's why I took the category out. It's OK though, someone's put it back in for you. Bubba hotep 08:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC) Although, I have now created the new category of Music from Coventry, England. Bubba hotep 09:18, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bolt thrower redirect page[edit]

I have overwritten the disambig page for "Bolt thrower" - it now redirects to here because the other article (Ballista) doesn't even mention "bolt" and "thrower" in the same sentence. Besides the "other uses" link someone else has put up on the band article is sufficient if I'm being generous. Bubba hotep 15:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article should then be moved to Bolt Thrower - no reason to have a redirect page instead of an actual article. - Quirk 15:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Genre[edit]

BT are not just death metal group. Bolt Thrower had a really doom-side. And I think that they can be considered more death/doom metal ,than just death metal.

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Grindcore[edit]

First off, I've just notice that many relevant sources stated BT as grindcore. Should grindcore label objectically added or is this confusion. At least their early stuff could fall under the grind classification Etos

I'm going to re-add grindcore, both as a category and to the infobox. However, unlike various other commentators on this talk page and others, I have some sources:

1/ Terrorizer Magazine #75 (2000): in their 1990s decade retrospective, in the section on 'The Decade in Death Metal' (written by Paul Schwarz), "The UK's grindcore movement spearheaded by Napalm Death, Carcass, Bolt Thrower and others exerted its influence and vice versa: all the aforementioned bands recorded death metal at one point." (p.6) and "Earache began, exposing grindcore bands Carcass, Napalm Death and Bolt Thrower in the late Eighties." (p.7). Also, same issue, under 'The 100 Most Important Albums of the Nineties', re: War Master: "Once they had left their grindcore-slanted Realm of Chaos, War Master was the album that defined Bolt Thrower for the Nineties." (p.38, Paul Schwarz again) 2/ Terrorizer Magazine #151 (2006): under their Top 40 Death Metal albums section, re: Realm of Chaos: "Before Napalm Death or even Carcass had begun converting punk-rooted grindcore and relentless blastbeats into chunky death metal-friendly massacres, Bolt Thrower were out on the frontline." (p.53, Paul Schwarz) 3/ The Great Metal Discography, M.C. Strong, 2nd edit., MOJO Books, 2001: "Drawing comparisons with grindcore peers, Napalm Death and Carcass, Bolt Thrower took pride of place on the legendary "Grindcrusher" tour." (p.82)

Would people like me to drag out more? Blackmetalbaz (talk) 10:16, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, I see that grindcore has been removed, despite the sources above. Can we please leave it be, now? Blackmetalbaz (talk) 21:52, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Killchain[edit]

Did some more 'research', and found out that there is a proper series of songs which have the same intro/outro riff, and that they all form whats known as 'The Killchain'. The order of songs is as follows (and albums they appear on): 'In Battle There Is No Law' (In Battle There Is No Law), 'Worldeater' (Realm Of Chaos), 'Cenotaph' (War Master), 'Embers' (The IVth Crusade), 'Powder Burns' (Mercenary), 'The Killchain' (Those Once Loyal), then back to 'In Battle'. 'The Killchain' is the last song to be made for the series, there are no plans to write any more apparently.

Anyone think this is worth adding to the trivia section? Or they could each be added to individual albums, as someone has already highlighted 'Cenotaph' as a 'thematic continuation' of 'World Eater' on the album page for War Master. Skulduggery88 (talk) 13:33, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Citation needed, my ass, their name clearly comes from Warhammer: 40K[edit]

Seriously, the "citation needed" was obviously put there by someone who knows nothing of Warhammer lore. Allow me to elaborate: in Warhammer, the bolt thrower or "bolter gun" is the primary firearm of the space marines and chaos space marines. Look it up if you don't believe me, and since there is already established influences from Warhammer, it doesn't take much to affairm this fact.JackorKnave (talk) 17:52, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but a bolt thrower is also a name for that other weapon of war, the ballista. We need a cite to back up which the band took it from. Arguing about which is more likely is a waste of time. We need an interview of equivalent. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 19:23, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Also, and this is a very geeky discussion, but (having not read anything about 40K for about ten years) I don't recall the bolter ever being referred to as a 'bolt thrower'. Bolt throwers do exist in Fantasy Battle of course. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 19:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, you're right, I do need a source. I still reckon I'm right about the name being based on the Warhammer weapon, but I guess it really is just POV to state it. 86.42.194.236 (talk) 15:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of arguing/guessing, one could simply ask the band ;-) --88.71.153.6 (talk) 07:28, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Correction. A print magazine can ask the band ;-) Blackmetalbaz (talk) 11:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You're right. For most wikipedians the information would be useless if it comes directly from the band  ;-) --88.71.153.6 (talk) 07:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, that's because Wikipedians value veifiability not "truth"! Though awesomely, this month's Terrorizer has a feature on Realms of Chaos that states the name came from Games Workshop; I'll stick it in the article later on :-) Blackmetalbaz (talk) 10:26, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Grindcore[edit]

according to Allmusic and Metalstorm,they're Grindcore(or at least Grindcore too)[1],[2] and this[3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by GREYBOYY (talk • contribs) 20:38, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well the Allmusic link doesn't actually refer to them as grindcore (we use the prose biographies, not the genre bars) and Metalstorm fail WP:RS. I'm sure we had a reliable source for grindcore though? Terrorizer? Blackmetalbaz (talk) 20:06, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.allmusic.com/artist/bolt-thrower-mn0000766533
  2. ^ http://www.metalstorm.net/bands/band.php?band_id=311&bandname=Bolt+Thrower
  3. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_metal#Growing_popularity

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