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Daniel Defoe[edit]

used information from http://www.fantasyfacup.com/matthew/essays/folk.htm which i wrote.


I have no expertise whatsoever in regarding Folkestone, but I'd like to politely point out one small but significant factual error. Daniel Defoe is quoted as writing about Folkestone during the Napoleonic Wars, but he was long dead by Napoleon's era (Defoe, born 1660, died 1731).

I'm speculating, but perhaps the article is meant to say that the first quote is from Defoe's 'Tour Through...' and the quote following, regarding smuggling gold to French soldiers during the Napoleonic Wars, came from Edward Hasted, who is mentioned right afterwards and was apparently alive during the appropriate time period.

Other than that, thanks for an interesting article that piqued my interest in several things. If I ever get the chance to travel through England, a stop there will be on my list. (Anon.)

Hasted's Kent was in its 2nd edition in 1793 and Hasted died in 1812, so the quote about the Napoleonic War is not likely from Hasted either. --Wetman 08:50, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Links to forum communities: It's come to my attention that a forum has readded their link to the wiki under a slightly different and misleading title. "Online Community Featuring Photographs". I believe this should be removed as other rival forums have been. 19:23, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

The links to several forum communities have now been removed from the main content of the article. 86.164.59.117 (talk) 20:18, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

The pronunciation was contradictory: a secondary stress mark, but then a superscript schwa, indicating no stress. Please correct me if I interpreted it incorrectly. The IPA link takes you to a key. kwami 05:25, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just heard on a local radio a couple of times: two times the first syllable got pronounced like fulk rather than folk. Is it a variant or had I just injured my ear somehow? 95.73.81.43 (talk), Josh — Preceding undated comment added 15:06, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Places of worship in folkestone[edit]

Would it be worth noting all the places of worship in folkestone? i think it would be of significant interest given that there is a list of schools? a discussion perhaps and a draft list of all the places of worship?... 217.33.150.4 (talk) 17:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Schools in folkestone[edit]

Personally I don't believe a private foriegn language school and private sixth form should be in the schools section on this article as they stand to make money from being there, unlike the other entries. I have removed them from the article as I feel they constitute an advert rather than valid information. 86.164.59.117 (talk) 20:18, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Main comment on article[edit]

The main fault with this article is doesn't follow the Wiki Geography Project guidelines, using this article. Here are some of the main points made in those guidelines, not followed here;

  • the lead paragraph should be an overview of the whole article, and should not introduce particular facts, as this one does, and with three unlinked references
  • there is no geography section as such
  • the History paragraph wanders into areas that could more properly be included under other headings: the Harbour, Railways, Schools. Wiki recommends not dividing the section unless absolutely necessary. Little about the fishing fraternity, nor the Pent River used by them to shelter boats. Plans for a harbour at Folestone were first mooted in 1541 and eventually came toi fruition the following century - not mentioned here.
  • there is no heading for Economy - it isn't just industry; and there should be Demography section
  • lists are frowned upon by the guidelines: the text should be in prose. The Schools section has two glaring errors: both schools referred to are in the West Midlands; and another has a recommended MERGE on it.
  • a Leisure section can include all the bits about the Creative Quarter (now under History), Theatre etc.
  • the transport section ignores roads; and long distance footpaths
  • no religious section.
  • far too many external links - also frowned upon by the guidelines

I'm looking to have a go at this article over the next few days - watch this space! Peter Shearan (talk) 19:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There are some 65 people who are shown on the "What links here" in the toolbox on the left of this box. See Dover as an example: it is necessary to have a separate article for List of people from Folkestone which I am now preparing. Peter Shearan (talk) 08:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
people article complete. I cannot find reference to Pepper Hayes; Manid Hayes; orGracie Wells. Who are they?Peter Shearan (talk) 14:32, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Education[edit]

There was no need for the list of schools (which in any case were not in alphabetical order; and some were missing!). The complete list is at the article referred to, and thus obviates the need for a list. Peter Shearan (talk) 09:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

History[edit]

I had a great deal to do with tidying up the Dover article, and in doing so realised that there was enough material in in its history to warrant a separare article altogether. I am therefore proposing to do that here. The present paras, which often include considerable detail, and therefore add to the length of the town article (33 kilobytes long), can be much better contained in that separate article. Even Folkestone Harbour has much more to say, and might even warrant another article, but certainly it needs separating from the general history, since it covers almost the entire historical spectrum. And Creative Quarter and Museums (which are in most cases outside the town proper anyway) belong outside History. I am hoping that someone might be commenting soon!!! Peter Shearan (talk) 14:12, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Culture[edit]

I have edited the Culture section principly as it contained far too many external links, lists, showed a distinct bias in its language, and more largely constituted a vulgar advertisement for Arts community rather than providing any useful information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Felttipben (talk • contribs) 10:42, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Significance of sandy beach and North London?[edit]

The article currently claims "Currently Folkestone has the only sandy beach and coastal park within an hour of north London."

Questions about this:

  • Why "currently"? Does this change often?
  • Why "north London"? Are there other sandy beaches closer to other parts of London?
  • Why do we care about this at all?

Dharris (talk) 15:35, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Population[edit]

I have changed the population figure in the infobox. Previously, it quoted a population figure of 53,411 and the reference stated that came from the ONS' "Total of 11 wards in census 2001." This is an error, since Folkestone only contains 9 wards. The ONS quotes data for the 9 current wards, plus the two wards that existed prior to the 2003 boundary changes. Harvey and Central wards were abolished and replaced by Harvey West and Harvey Central. Adding the 9 current wards adds up to 45,273, which is also the number quoted by the ONS for Folkestone as a whole, as shown in the new reference. Danfolkestone (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:05, 29 June 2011 (UTC).[reply]

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This article lacks an overall continuity and pattern. In particular:
  • Much in the introduction falls outside its purpose - ie to sum up the article.
  • The History section, which should not be subparagraphed, includes much that is inappropriate (eg Schools, which are all included in the article List of schools in Kent, the purpose of which is to obviate listing them all; only important notes about education should appear here).
  • There is no Geography section (and little to say about it). This needs to better describe its site and situation (does it really lie "at the foot" of the North Downs? Surely that is only because the sea has carved them out at this point ... surely better to say on the cliffs where the N Downs meets the sea?). The piece on Industry should be included here (including the resurrected ferry service; and the future plans); as should notes on the light industry (there must be some). Details of the town need to be included here: "suburbs" and housing estates. Earthquake.
  • Climate?
  • Transport?
  • Government There is nothing about the town council, nor that it is part of the Shepway district.
  • A Culture section could include many of the odd pieces throughout the article (Museum, sport, art, theatre)
  • A religion section - details of churches
  • Military connection (Shorncliffe)
  • Famous people - there is a Category:People from Folkestone, but no article - see List of people from Ashford, Kent as a comparison. Again it would obviate what is in effect a list here
Peter Shearan (talk) 19:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 19:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 15:20, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

School merge[edit]

I have suggested that Sandgate Primary School should be merged to here as a non-notable primary as per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Any comments appreciated. CalzGuy (talk) 14:24, 6 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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