Talk:Maud Gonne

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Untitled[edit]

The ODNB of 2005 gives her dates as follows:

Gonne, (Edith) Maud (1866-1953), Irish nationalist, was born on 21 December 1866 at Tongham Manor, near Farnham, Surrey, eldest daughter of Captain Thomas Gonne (1835-1886) of the 17th lancers and his wife, Edith Frith Cook (1844-1871), daughter of William Cook, merchant, and Margaretta Cockayne Frith. In April 1868 Thomas Gonne was appointed cavalry brigade major in Ireland and was stationed at Curragh Camp, co. Kildare. Maud's sister Kathleen Gonne (d. 1919) was born in September 1868. Edith Gonne, suffering from tuberculosis, gave birth in London to her third child, Margaretta, in June 1871, and died on the twenty first of that month; Margaretta died on 9 August. The trauma affected Maud Gonne deeply. She recalled that her father had said, as he showed her Edith's coffin, that she must not fear anything, not even death. ... Sources M. Gonne MacBride, A servant of the queen (1994) + The Gonne-Yeats letters, 1893-1938, ed. A. MacBride White and A. N. Jeffares (1992) + M. Gonne, 'The tower of age', unpublished autobiography, MacBride family papers, priv. coll. + W. B. Yeats, Memoirs, ed. D. Donoghue (1972) + W. B. Yeats, Autobiographies (1955) + The collected letters of W. B. Yeats, 3, ed. J. Kelly and R. Schuchard (1994) + W. B. Yeats, Poems, ed. A. N. Jeffares (1996) + Iseult Stuart to Francis Stuart, 2 May 1953, Southern Illinois University + M. Ward, Maud Gonne: Ireland's Joan of Arc (1990)

Archives NYPL, letters + priv. coll., family papers + PRO, papers, CO 904 | NL Ire., letters to Ethel Mannin SOUND BL NSA Likenesses S. Purser, oils, c.1889, NG Ire. · S. Purser, pastel drawing, 1898, Hugh Lane Gallery, Dublin [see illus.] · J. B. Yeats, pencil and watercolour drawing, 1907, NG Ire. · S. O'Sullivan, chalk and charcoal drawing, 1929, NG Ire. · L. Campbell, plaster bust, Hugh Lane Gallery, Dublin · S. Purser, oils, Hugh Lane Gallery, Dublin · S. Purser, pastel drawing, NG Ire. · photographs, priv. coll. · photographs, NL Ire. --mervyn 12:35, 14 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This says her parents:

... were married on December 19, 1865. It has been suggested that Maud was born the following day, or very soon thereafter. No record exists of her birth. Since it was illegal not to record the birth of a child, it is assumed that her parents wanted to hide the date. While Maud was often vague about her birthdate, she was quoted in an unpublished Dublin newspaper article as saying that she was born near Aldershot Camp in 1865; Aldershot Camp, approximately 40 miles from London, was the military base at which her father was stationed. -- JackofOz (talk) 05:26, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the Cambridge Biographical Encyclopedia (2nd edition, 1989, pg. 596) also gives her year of birth as 1865. If there is a discrepancy regarding her date of birth it should be addressed within the article. Jezebel'sPonyo ^{bons mots} 22:03, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Assume you mean 1865. RashersTierney (talk) 22:12, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ha, most definitely! Corrected now. Jezebel'sPonyo ^{bons mots} 22:20, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The White Cross[edit]

I'd just like to point out that the link to the White Cross currently links to a punk band. I know nothing of the White Cross aside from a quick Google to insure it actually existed; would someone who knows more of it want to add the definition to that article?

Link redirected to Irish White Cross. RashersTierney (talk) 16:19, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was set up by Quakers during the Anglo-Irish war to help victims - generally victims of the British and not Sinn Fein victims. Some of the money raised by Sinn Fein in America in 1919-1922 was set aside for the White Cross and it was mentioned occasionally in Dail debates. It has never been written up, partly because some saw it turn into a vote-buying and partisan system, and partly because there would have been no victims if some Sinn Fein supporters had not launched a war in 1919. An obvious subject for WP:IR but not covered as it didn't use violence and was set up by non-Catholics.86.42.197.145 (talk) 14:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Daughter[edit]

No mention of her daughter Iseult?

"This, This Rude Knocking"[edit]

Is this an actual poem? I can't find any reference to it other than in this article and in translations of this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.24.16 (talk) 19:27, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Having the same problem with This, This Rude Knocking by W.B. Yeats. I've seen it referenced, but haven't been able to find an actual text of the poem. It has apparently gone missing. It has me curious. The poem isn't in the only W. B Yeats collection on my shelf, The Celtic Twilight, but that isn’t surprising. I'm asking about, maybe someone will have a lead. Will Dockery (talk) 05:39, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- I have added a ^{[citation needed]} tag to the mention of the poem "This, This Rude Knocking." Where the author found the poem, and where it is proven to have been written by W.B. Yeats. One source actually names Maud Gonne as the writer of the poem... if the poem even exists. Will Dockery (talk) 01:08, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Physical[edit]

The article discusses Maud Gonne's political and spiritual capacities, but she was hyper-attractive as well. Ithell Colquhoun in her book "Sword of Wisdom", comments, "There is no need for me to say that she was beautiful since everyone, including herself, has said it already." According to Colquhoun, Gonne's beauty was not captured in her extant photographs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.20.140.196 (talk) 08:22, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]