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This article is outdated and does not correspond to the modern historian views. The fact is that Ivailo was called a "swineherd" by the byzantines who started hating him after a succesfull series of battles against the Byzantine empire in which Ivailo was known not to keep any alive prisoners. In no other source was he called a peasant or a swineheard.

>>> This is not true, Burdokva is a bulgarian nickname which means cabbage, and was incorrectly recorded by Georgi Pachimer as Kor-do-kuvas, an attempt at transliteration. I am thinking I will update this article.....

Historians started asking themselves long time ago, is it actually possible for a "swineheard" to defeat the perfect war machine of the so called Tartars - namely the Mongols,

>>> He actually lost battles to the main Mongol force commanded by Nogai himself; his early victories were against poorly organized troops

who were unobstructedly ravaging through Europe at the time, and be so easily crowned as car.

Having byzantine sources that call enemy rulers with insulting names is not an isolated case. Modern historians do not accept the possibility of a peasant becoming a monarch in such a short time. Unfortunately Bulgarian sources are not abundant and though his personality seems to be shrouded in mystery the modern view is that it is highly possible that Ivailo was a boyar or other aristocracy member, who was actually educated in millitary tactics and had the social support to become a monarch.

Ivailo was also most likely a vegetarian if not a Bogomil, which explains a lot of the mystery surrounding his behaviour and persona.

The legent of the "peasant tsar" was gladly embraced by the communists, because in him they were seeing the social emblem of the ruling working class. I guess another good example of using Ivailo`s personality for imposing ideas.

>>> Yes, marxist historians love this guy :) 75.168.80.133 (talk) 06:54, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Transliteration[edit]

I replaced Ivaylo with Ivailo. The correct (and adopted by the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences) Latin rendering should be Ivajlo, but I am aware it is not popular and will be replaced immediately by the next person who reads the article. It would also pose difficulty in reading the name by an English-speaker. In Slavic Latin alphabet, the letter Y renders the sound between I and Ǎ, called in Russian yery, ы, like in RYBA (Polish, Czech, Russian, Ukrainian). This letter should not be used to denote consonant I (Bulgarian and Russian"i kratko", Й), which should be rendered with J (at least in initial position). 85.11.148.52 08:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Acording the new rules for tranliteration of Bulgarian names, recognized by the Council of Science of the institute at the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences and approved by the Ministerial council of Bulgaria, his name should be transliterated as Ivaylo. Please, check COMPREHENSIBLE BULGARIA! ---Nauka (talk) 13:09, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Siege of Silistra[edit]

The book cited as reference says on page 198 that Ivaylo was sieged for 3 months in Silistra by the Byzantines, while this articles says the attackers were Mongols. Could someone check this?Baltaci (talk) 21:08, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nicknames[edit]

Why was he nicknamed after vegetables? Tad Lincoln (talk) 04:16, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

>>>Because supposedly that is all he ate, vegetables and bread, before usurping the throne. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.168.80.133 (talk) 06:55, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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