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Maine[edit]

"Bar Harbor® Clam Juice also works great as an ingredient in Bloody Marys, or, as we call them in Maine, Bloody Caesars." http://www.barharborfoods.com/clam-juice.php

Randal Oulton (talk) 11:18, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Earlier Deletion Discussions[edit]

I noticed the page had been VfD'ed at one point, so I looked for the archived discussion and e eventually found it at Template:VfD-Caesar_cocktail. Saucepan 00:48, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

The correct link is Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Caesar cocktail. The article is still pretty skimpy on good information. --Willscrlt 06:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bloody Caesar[edit]

Oops, I just saw Vfp15's reverts.

The original and correct name is Caesar; "bloody" is only added by those who confuse it with a Bloody Mary. I'm afraid I can't offer much in supporting documentation; see the hotwired link. I hope my mild edit reflects an acceptable compromise position.

How is "Canadians living abroad prize a bartender who can mix a good Caesar" POV? I can support this with a half dozen real examples. Is there someone who believes that Canadians abroad dislike a bartender who can mix a good Caesar?

—Michael Z. 02:39, 2004 Nov 21 (UTC)

Not worth an edit war, but Bloody Caesar is what I ordered at the Spectrum in Montreal when I was a college lad. Vincent 01:31, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The Quebecoise call it a "Bloody" avec un accent mais sans Caesar. Americans call it a "Bloody Caesar" and English Canadians generally know it as a "Caesar", at least out here in Alberta. Considering that it was invented in Calgary as a "Caesar", that should be its name, regardless of what anybody else decides to call it. Matthew Cadrin 07:13, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The only time I use a modifier when I'm ordering a Caesar, is when I order a Virgin Caesar, i.e. without alcohol. If I'm ordering the standard Caesar (with alcohol), I simply say "Caesar", without a modifier. It's been my experience that this is common practice - in fact I'd never heard of a "Bloody Caesar" before. As with any Canadian-ism, it could be a regional thing (I'm from Southern Ontario). --Can-eh-dian Redhead (talk) 19:14, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ive never heard it referred to as a bloody Caesar, I think it the majority of canada you would get a pretty hard time for saying that, or at least be accussed of being an AmericanMbr1983 (talk) 13:38, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm from Vancouver, I've also never heard of it called a "bloody" Caesar before. --174.6.21.169 (talk) 07:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Image?[edit]

Is there no better image? A Caesar is supposed to be served in a highball glass. Dunno what's up with the crushed ice, either.69.60.237.3 (talk) 18:56, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree -- this image represents the Caesar POORLY. Where's the celery, or highball glass, or lime? The existing image looks like some girly pomegranate martini. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.100.54 (talk) 16:23, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I made it a bit better. The glass is a pint glass but close, and there's still no lime, but hey, at least there's celery this time! AirIntake (talk) 01:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Variants[edit]

Maybe this is a lot less popular than I think, but bars on the east coast will often serve a caesar with a pickled green been instead of celery — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.173.231 (talk) 04:59, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Caesar (cocktail)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jezhotwells (talk) 21:29, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

Disambiguations: I removed the link for on the rocks as this leads to disambiguation page without a suitable target.[1] Jezhotwells (talk) 21:34, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Linkrot: none found. Jezhotwells (talk) 21:35, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Checking against GA criteria[edit]

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
Basic preparation of a Caesar follows the "one, two, three, four" rule. The basic recipe calls for 1–1½ oz of vodka, basic - basic. Try a little variation of words.

''The basic recipe calls for 1–1½ oz of vodka, two dashes of hot sauce, three dashes of salt and pepper, four dashes of Worcestershire sauce, then topped with Clamato and served on the rocks. Unlink on the rocks, and address the grammar of the sentence.

Tobasco Sauce is frequently added, though it was not one of Chell's original ingredients,[4] as is horseradish. Again confused grammar.

~~The short paragraphs in the popularity section would be better combined a little.~~
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
With over 350 million Caesars are consumed every year, the Caesar is considered the most popular mixed drink in Canada This is a reported claim by Motts and needs to be attributed as such. (It is also ungrammatical as it stands.)

Otherwise references check out.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Tagged correctly
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
On hold for seven days for above issue to be addressed. Jezhotwells (talk) 22:03, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, it passes muster now, so I will list. Congratulations! Jezhotwells (talk) 15:44, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome, thanks! Reso lute 13:31, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank's for the quick review! I believe I have addressed your concerns. Cheers! Reso lute 23:05, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The more that I check out the sources, I find that no-one is saying it is the most popular drink, etc. The sources report claims that should be attributed to those making the claims. At the moment information is being presented as fact when in fact it is just an unverified claim by a bar owner or drinks manufacturer. The article needs to reflect that. Jezhotwells (talk) 11:51, 28 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You are right. I had misrembered a paper copy of the Calgary Herald that I though had said it was the most popular mixed drink, comma, Motts estimates... but it also makes the former claim in the context of the latter. I have rephrased that statement. Reso lute 00:16, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

'unheard of' status outside canada questionable[edit]

Clamato juice is widely sold in the UK supermarkets alongside the likes of Bigtom and generic 'store branded' tomato juice. As the Clamato bottle has the Caesar recipe on it, it is relatively popular in UK, albeit as a next day recovery drink or boozey breakfast drink.

None of my american friends know what a Caesar is, but they were widely available when I was in Las Vegas, and also in Punta Cana. I'm sure it's just for tourists. D.P. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.36.86.72 (talk) 11:30, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is Not a Thing[edit]

This is not a drink independent of a Bloody Mary, and should not have it's own page. While the exact origin of the Bloody Mary is apparently a little obscure, the invention of it dates back to at least 1921. A Bloody Mary is usualy thought of as a drink consisting of vodka and tomato juice, and while the IBA defines a Bloody Mary as:

4.5 cl (3 parts) Vodka, 9 cl (6 parts) Tomato juice, 1.5 cl (1 part) Lemon juice;

in common practice, this is not the case. Most often, Worcestershire sauce, Tabasco sauce and black pepper are added to this recipie, but most importantly Clam Juice is also a common ingredient. To quote the Bloody Mary's wikipedia page; "Among the more common additions to the juice base are salt (either mixed in or as a salted rim), clam juice or olive brine, cracked pepper, brown sugar or molasses, bitters, horseradish, hot sauce (such as Tabasco), citrus juices (especially lemon or lime), and Worcestershire sauce." Quoting the Ceaser article: "The Caesar was invented in 1969 by restaurant manager Walter Chell of the Calgary Inn (today the Westin Hotel) in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. He devised the cocktail after being tasked to create a signature drink for the Calgary Inn's new Italian restaurant." - Invented in this sentence is rediculous, as he has obviously merely just renamed a Bloody Mary. This page should be combined into the Bloody Mary article, and considering that an entire country (Canada) refers to Bloody Mary cocktails as Ceaser cocktails, should indicate that the name is just as important and relevant, but there is no need for two articles about the same drink. The Bloody Mary was what this cocktail was invented as, over fourty years prior, and is what this cocktail is known as by most of the population of the earth to whom this cocktail is available. Apologies for any formalities I have missed here, but this is the first time I have edited a wikipedia entry, so I am new at this. Help would always be appreciated. Osilion (talk) 22:22, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome! I was the editor who largely wrote the page as it exists, and I can tell you that no Canadian would consider the two drinks to be the same thing. In fact, I don't recall finding any sources that considered the two to be the same drink. Also, Wikipedia's set up is such that iterative items can have separate articles. i.e.: we have articles on both sparkling wine and Champagne, and 19 articles alone on various brands of Russian Vodka. I do not think it problematic that separate articles exist on these two drinks, but if you wish to ask for more input, I can happily notify the three associated projects (as listed at the top of this page - Food and drink, Spirits and Canada) with a neutral message asking for others to comment. Cheers! Reso lute 23:54, 17 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Genericize Clamato?[edit]

While the lead attempts to avoid fixing the clam-tomato mix on Clamato, the rest of the page is not quite doing that. Should I replace these instances (minus the parts about the actual product) with a more generic term? Artoria 2e5 🌉 02:59, 18 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction: Ingrdients[edit]

The second sentence lists the ingredients, and then only in the sentence afterwards does it say it álso includes another ingredient. This is very misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snorkop (talk • contribs) 12:23, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]