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Edit Suggestion - Genetics[edit]

Under section 2.1 Genetics I propose the following addition:

A haplotype has been identified on the ASIP locus on chromosome 20 that is associated with red hair.^[1] The ASIP locus prevents the MC1R receptor from producing melanocyte-stimulating hormone. As a result, less eumelanin and more pheomelanin is produced. Pheomelanin has been linked to red hair and increased risk of skin damage due to UV light.

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^ Sturm, Richard (April 15, 2009). "Molecular genetics of human pigmentation diversity". Human Molecular Genetics. 18 (R1). doi:https://doi.org/10.1093/hmg/ddp003. Retrieved 25 September 2017. {{cite journal}}: Check |doi= value (help); External link in |doi= (help)
^ Nasti, Tahseen; Timares, Laura (7 Novemeber 2014). "MC1R, Eumelanin and Pheomelanin: Their Role in Determining the Susceptibility to Skin Cancer". Photochemistry and Photobiology. 91 (1). doi:10.1111/php.12335. Retrieved 29 September 2017. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

Some irish people say irish have red hair because of the vikings?[edit]

I have heard some irish people say that some irish people have red or blonde hair because of the Germanic invasion(Vikings) of Ireland. Why do irish people say this?

Medieval antisemitism[edit]

The following proposition:

The medieval prejudice against red-hair may have derived from the Ancient biblical tradition, in relation to biblical figures such as Esau and King David.

is unsourced and it is contraddicted by the Bible. 1 Samuel 16:1–13 affirms king David "was ruddy, with bright eyes, and good-looking." King David has been proclaimed saint for all the Christian Churches whi veretate the saints: his being ruddy couldn't have arisen any prejudice against rutilism.

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The statement that Sarmaritans recieve their name from having red hair is false, the name is derived from a term meaning archer, and the source for this misinformation is almost 300 years old! Please to remove the statement. Robishungry (talk) 16:09, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The word is spelled Sarmatian – this may help anyone looking for sources for the claim. Maproom (talk) 18:35, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We seem to have a conflict of sources here. The statement in this article is supported by the source "A Supplement to the English Universal History", written in 1760 by Siegmund Jakob Baumgarten and various other authors. In the Sarmatian article, the meaning of the name is indeed "armed with throwing darts and arrows", and it cites a 2005 source by Tokhtasyev Sergey [ru]. Unfortunately, the Sarmatian source is in Russian, so I cannot verify if it actually supports the statement, but for the sake of argument I'll presume it does.

I haven't found any reason to declare either source unreliable by WP:RS, so looking at WP:V and WP:CONFLICTING, I think we have to include both. WP:CONFLICTING does suggest that we prefer newer sources, so I would advise changing the line from

The ancient Budini and Sarmatians are also reported by some classical Greek authors to be blue-eyed and red-haired, with the latter even owing their name to it.

to

The ancient Budini and Sarmatians are also reported by some classical Greek authors to be blue-eyed and red-haired, and the latter was once believed to owe their name to it, although this has been debunked.

And including the Russian source, of course. Liu1126 (talk) 23:52, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As a further note, I think we need a Russian speaking editor here, just in case the Russian source doesn't actually support the statement. I'll look around for any other English sources in the meantime. Liu1126 (talk) 23:57, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Although my final version was a bit different from the version I suggested here. Liu1126 (talk) 12:17, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Sturm, Richard (April 15, 2009). "Molecular genetics of human pigmentation diversity". Human Molecular Genetics. 18 (R1). doi:https://doi.org/10.1093/hmg/ddp003. Retrieved 25 September 2017. {{cite journal}}: Check |doi= value (help); External link in |doi= (help)

[2] Nasti, Tahseen; Timares, Laura (7 Novemeber 2014). "MC1R, Eumelanin and Pheomelanin: Their Role in Determining the Susceptibility to Skin Cancer". Photochemistry and Photobiology. 91 (1). doi:10.1111/php.12335. Retrieved 29 September 2017. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

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