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General problems in the article[edit]

I have edited the secion which talks about the State of Guanabara:

This main article is about Niterói. It is important to explain that the city was the capital of the State of Rio de Janeiro, and briefly mention highlights about surrounding events (i.e.: State of Guanabara). However, further developments about the State of guanabara should be kept in its own article.
Also, the previous text says quite confusing. It says:
During the period (1834 - 1975) when Rio de Janeiro was divided in two states: Rio de Janeiro and State of Guanabara (Federal District), where the national capital was [...]
This is quite confusing. So, Since 1834, Rio de Janeiro was divided in two states? Rio de Janeiro and Estado da guanabara? Not quite... First, the state was created in 1960, the city of Reio first became a municipality.
Also the previous text says:
[...] on March 15, 1975 was remerged with the State of Guanabara (correspondent to the city of Rio de Janeiro). The city was elevated to state capital by the Ato Adicional of 1834. [...]
So, first it talks about 1975, and then it goes back in time and talks about the Ato Adicional of 1834. This confuses the reader.
  • It also fails to mention the sequence of events after the proclamation of the republic (when regions started to be called "states"). Before the proclamation of a FEDERAL REPUBLIC, there where no such things as "states".
If the text is unclear, rewording for clarity is always welcome, but what you did is erasing information bluntly. I checked the State of Guanabara article (which by the way was created misspelled – please be careful when creating new articles), and 95% of the information in the paragraph you erased was simply not there. Furthermore, that's not even the real point. I don't know if you're new to Wikipedia, but we don't turn entire sections of articles into "see main article" pointers. The history of Niterói is closely linked to that of the Guanabara Bay, and mentions to it in Niterói's article is only to be expected. The Guanabara Bay is mentioned rather breafly, and is hardly the focus of the article. The information therein came from official online sources on the history of the city. If YOU find it confusing somehow, well you're the first, and this page has been quite visited and translated to other language Wikis, but more clarity is always welcome, not erasing though. The issue of province/state pending the proclamation of the republic is not essential for the international reader to understand the state of affairs in the region, especially since the period at hand extends through both naming conventions, the article simply conveys the message,so to speak. And I'm not quite sure what you meant about 1960, what was created then was Brasília, and it was immediately created federal capital, but the State of Guanabara and the State of Rio de Janeiro, both already in existence, remained as separate entities until 1975, that is common kownoledge. Maybe you meant that in 1960 Rio was "demoted" from national capital to a municipality/capital of the State of Guanabara. The Ato Adicional from 1834 gives a timeframe for the reader to know for how long the division of the two states was in place, it not that uncommon to "go back in time" as you said while narrating the history of a city, any referrences to the A.A./34 prior to that moment would have been misplaced, since it would feel like the article was about the division itself, or maybe Rio de Janeiro or Guanabara Bay. In conclusion, if you want to work on an article on the Guanabara Bay, that's a great idea, but it's completely inappropriate to erase sections of other articles that make referrence to it and replace them with "see main article" notices, and it looks particularly bad when one follows the link and discovers that the "main article" is just a stub. Regards, Redux 14:27, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Are YOU from Niterói? Well, my family is... And this text is confusing to them as well. Please, keep the text -- as innacurate as it is.

Merging[edit]

I came here from WP:RM and saw three stubbish and not quite expandable articles about administrative subdivisions (Regions (Niterói), Administrative division (Niterói) and Neighborhoods (Niterói), so I was bold and merged them here. I think that, together, they make quite an appropriate section of this article (which isn't long enough to deserve such fragmentation anyway). Duja► 10:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's looking good. :-) Redux 13:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the whole of Brazil??[edit]

It is the only Brazilian city to have been founded by an indigenous Brazilian. - Is there any evidence/proof for this? If not, why not change it to something on the lines of "It is widely believed to be".... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Danielimb3bacon (talk • contribs) 01:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Sure there is. From the .gov website of Niterói's Municipal Secretary of Culture (main page: [1]): [2] (in Portuguese): Subtitle "A História da Cidade" (The City's History), subheader "A Aldeia de São Lourenço" (The Village of Saint Lawrence), third paragraph: Niterói é, portanto, a única cidade do Brasil fundada por um índio, o cacique temiminó Araribóia (Niterói is, therefore, the only city in Brazil founded by an indian, the temiminó chief Araribóia). Redux 15:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Araribóia, a Tamoio Indian chief?[edit]

I noticed that the Rio de Janeiro article mentions Araribóia as a Tamoio Indian chief. In the Nitéroi article it says: Tupi indian. And finaly, Redux calls him a temiminó chief in the talk section here above. So which is it? Key to the city 12:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I looked into it on pt.wiki (Portuguese-language Wikipedia): the Temiminó were a tribe within the Tupi ethnicity (or Tupi nation). Araribóia's domain was in present day's Governador Island. So in effect he was a Temiminó Tupi. Tamoio, or The Tamoio Confederacy, was a name given to a coalition of a few Tupi tribes (Tupinambás, Goitacazes, Guaianazes and Aimorés) to fight the Portuguese and hopefully expel them. Araribóia's tribe was part of the coalition initally, but he was convinced by the Portuguese to switch allegiances in exchange for the land where today is the city of Niterói. This was facilitated by a previous change in the Tamoio leadership, which was taken over by Chief Aimberê after the previous leader, Chief Cunhambebe died of small pox. Aimberê was a personal enemy of Araribóia's.
So, since Araribóia was initially part of the Tamoio Confederacy, it is not technically wrong to state that he had been a Tamoio Chief as well: his tribe was part of the Tamoio Confederacy and he was Chief of the Temiminó, a Tupi tribe that inhabited the Governor Island, then known as Cat's Island to the Portuguese and Paranapuã to the Tupi. Redux 21:21, 3 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of Niterói[edit]

On the Flags of the World site, the flag of Niterói it's not the same than the one in the article. I've searched the city hall website but found nothing. Which flag would be the official one? --Bluedenim 02:28, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I used these descriptions of the city website to do the flag. — Guilherme (t/c) 00:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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