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Notable residents[edit]

This entire list seems absurd. Who in SLO has heard of any of them other than Ah Luis. So many great things about SLO Town are not listed. The surfing, kayaking, sailing, kite boarding, windsurfing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.15.148.246 (talk) 17:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This list is rather long, and it seems to be uncharacteristic of good city articles to include such a list. How about we pare it down to current residents only? Basar 05:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I vote no. —X S G 06:09, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's trivia to have any at all. If they are an important part of the city, like the mayor, founder, or the head of a business in a company town, it'd be worthy of inclusion.--Berol 01:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I recognize several of the names listed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.102.154.79 (talk) 23:42, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the list of notable residents (past and present) contributes little to a reader's understanding of San Luis Obispo. It leaves the realm of encyclopedic information and enters the territory of desperate boasting. Imagine if Los Angles or New York had a similar list. Unless such a list can be directly tied to the city's history, or contribute to the reader's understanding of what kind of place San Luis Obispo is, it should be considered pedantic at best and be removed. The mention of important persons should not be formatted in a list, but should be worked into the actual text of the entry. (For Example, "Junipero Serra arrived in 1772..." or "Ah Louis opened his store in 1874..." etc. Calarch78```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calarch78 (talk • contribs) 06:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So... you've never heard that a particular person lives or lived in a particular community wand wanted to find some way to confirm this? The information isn't boasting at all. If you can find any entry on any page that appears boastful, point it out. — X S G 16:37, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah Louis[edit]

I question whether Ah Louis is notable enough to warrant a mention on the San Luis Obispo page if he's not notable enough to have his own Wikipedia page. Yes, I know who he was. Yes, I've been in his store. Yes, I think it'd be great for someone to document as much about him as possible. But the fact of the matter is that no one has. So, what's your opinion? —X S G 06:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've solved this issue by taking the time to document his existence to the best of my ability in Ah Louis. —X S G 19:32, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you XSG! That's a step in the right direction. Ah Louis is definitely warrants a mention of the SLO page. Imagine if we scanned all of Wikipedia and removed the thousands references to people and things which don't have their own Wikipedia page. Ah Louis has importance in terms of SLO's history, Chinese-American history in California and California architectural history-- how many buildings still exist from 1874? Gigglesworth 23:46, 18 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation of "Luis"[edit]

When I first arrived in San Luis Obispo, I left off the "s" in Luis, but was quickly corrected. I've come to believe that not pronouncing the s is a mispronunciation and therefore I think this pronunciation should be removed from the article. I'll do so in a few days if there's no apparent controversy in doing so. —X S G 19:26, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removing. —X S G 04:22, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

good removal. It's also a long o for both ends of Obispo, but I haven't found a proper source yet and Random House Unabridged Dictionary has the incorrect slang-y schwa. :P--Berol 01:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

and Merriam-Webster, too, who even claims that the i in Luis is a schwa. proof that dictionaries goof sometimes--Berol 01:11, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV[edit]

NPOV is a tenet of Wikipedia whereby articles should present information in neither a favorable nor an unfavorable light. Stating that the PAC is "the primary cultural focal center" is POV, as there are other cultural focal centers and it is simply a matter of perspective whether one is primary or not. Referring to the PAC as a "monument to the Arts" and a "world class concert hall" are POV for the same reason; these statements cannot be qualified. —X S G 21:01, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I've learned a new term. The edits made to this article about the PAC were called Peacock Terms. —X S G 16:53, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

External Links[edit]

Someone added:

CitySuggest a Cal Poly project to suggest restaurants and events.

to the external links section of the article. I'm not certain that this link meets the spirit of Wikipedia articles' External Links guidelines. Thoughts anyone? — X S G 03:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RAINFALL[edit]

I'm not sure how to edit the rainfall statistics but I know the rainfall in San Luis Obispo averages 22 inches per year. Here are the correct numbers from weather.com:
http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/93401

Notable companies???[edit]

A "Notable companies in San Luis Obispo" section could be lengthy and difficult to maintain. Intel? United Air Lines? Veritas? Lots of notable companies have offices in San Luis Obispo. How do we determine rules for inclusion in this article? My solution: we don't. Let's axe the section. Taking votes... — X S G 07:40, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good question. Frankly, I don't consider any of the four currently listed all that notable. I used to work for Ernie Ball, but it's only notable among those in the music industry. Why are the other four notable? I have to agree with XSG, and suggest we just remove that section. -FeralDruid (talk) 07:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Education[edit]

I trimmed a bunch of stuff from the Education section that belonged in the main articles of the schools. I also trimmed public schools in other communities; they don't belong here.

It's tempting to cut Cuesta College as it's not physically in San Luis Obispo, however I've opted to keep it in as there are many people who live in SLO primarily to attend the College. I have tried to make it clear, however, that Cuesta is not physically located within the city. — X S G 05:07, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that Cal Poly is physically outside the city limits, according to maps provided by the SLO Public Works Department I think that many California colleges are actually located outside (or next to) a city border. For example: the Berkeley city limit stops at the UC Berkeley campus (according to some officials) and the UC Santa Cruz campus starts just outside the City of Santa Cruz. -= Gigglesworth (talk) 21:42, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is a recurring issue with many city articles. For example, the City of Los Angeles article would probably be twice as long if the material more relevant to adjacent communities were included. Some of it is included in an article on Greater Los Angeles. Since there's no "Greater San Luis Obispo" article some of that info makes sense to include in this article. In addition to colleges, airports are often outside the boundaries of the cities they serve. That's perhaps the most important criteria for inclusion - do the schools, etc, serve the SLC population? If so they probably belong in the article. However any outside entity that's mentioned should have its actual location specified. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:37, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to break it down in my head by voting rights. Folks who live in Cal Poly's dormitories do have voting rights in San Luis Obispo city elections. At least, I seem to recall that we did, back in my dorm days... — X S G 21:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Page Move[edit]

Per WP:NC:CITY, I'll be moving this article to San Luis Obispo. San Luis Obispo, California should be the redirect. — X S G 01:39, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually WP:NC:CITY says just the opposite. If you read down to the section on the United States, you'll find that the articles are correct as is, with San Luis Obispo, California as the main article and San Luis Obispo as a redirect. You seem to be doing the same thing with Anaheim, California and Anaheim incorrectly, too. Rklear (talk) 14:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please re-read WP:NC:CITY. I'd like to draw your attention to the statement, "The general rule is to name an article about a city or town with a name that does not conflict with any other town or concept as city name. The rest of this naming convention contains guidelines about naming the articles where disambiguation is required or specific national conventions." Following this convention, this article should only be named San Luis Obispo, California if the name "San Luis Obispo" needs disambiguation. Since it does not, the article should be San Luis Obispo, with San Luis Obispo, California serving as the redirect. The city of Seattle just went through this, so I'd like to use it as an example. And yes, Anaheim is another example of a city with no need for disambiguation. Los Angeles, on the other hand, needs disambiguation and thus the article is correctly named Los Angeles, California. I'll wait a little bit for further discussion before I re-perform the move. — X S G 00:57, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:NC:CITY#United_States. This has been much discussed already in various venues. older ≠ wiser 01:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Consider it dropped. — X S G 01:55, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unidentified bronze bear in SLO[edit]

Please have a look at Image:SLO_Bear.jpg. Unless we find the details on this sculpture, we'll have to delete it. So if someone can find the name of the artist, when the sculpture was erected, and check all inscriptions on the sculpture such as dates, signatures, copyright notice, it would be most welcome. Teofilo talk 16:09, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Poly Royal[edit]

I added some more info on Poly Royal. The information is accurate, I just don't feel like finding out where exactly the footnotes should go. I also don't know how the footnotes are supposed to look down at the bottom, if someone can help on that. C5mjohn (talk) 04:58, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in San Luis Obispo, California[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of San Luis Obispo, California's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "NCDC":

From Santa Barbara, California: "Climatography of the United States No. 20 (1971–2000)" (PDF). National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. 2004. Retrieved 2010-05-31.
From Fresno, California: "NCDC: U.S. Climate Normals" (PDF). National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Retrieved 2010-05-13.
From Eureka, California: "Climatography of the United States No. 20 (1971–2000)" (PDF). National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. 2004. Retrieved 2010-05-17.
From Stockton, California: "Climatography of the United States No. 20 (1971–2000)" (PDF). National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. 2004. Retrieved 2010-05-29.
From Long Beach, California: "NCDC: U.S. Climate Normals" (PDF). Retrieved 2010-04-30.
From San Jose, California: "NCDC: U.S. Climate Normals" (PDF). Retrieved 2010-04-22.
From Oakland, California: "NCDC: U.S. Climate Normals" (PDF). National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Retrieved 2010-04-30.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 03:31, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1876 photo[edit]

It looks like the 1876 photo was taken from lower south-east side of Madonna Mountain. On googleearth from there, I can reproduce the mountain profile looking NE. I think the road is likely Higuera - where the river gets close to the road & the road turns --JimWae (talk) 19:06, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming this page[edit]

I suggest that this page be renamed "San Luis Obispo" (without the name of the state) because of a lack of any other cities with the name "San Luis Obispo." Millions of people have heard of the town, and it's received much specific recognition from Oprah. --JohnnyLurg (talk) 22:30, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:NC:CITY#United_States. "The canonical form for cities, towns and census-designated places in the United States is <nowiki>Placename, State (the "comma convention")." Only 30 United States cities are to be named without the name of state. 153.26.178.60 (talk) 08:37, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV: "government spending" ... "government " .vs. "true" ... "now less"[edit]

^{[neutrality is disputed]}

San Luis Obispo County's economy could be categorized as a government spending economy.

That suggests "government spending" as a category. It's not appropriate to invent new categories here; we already have Standard Industrial Classifications. Their published divisions are:

Agriculture, Forestry, And Fishing

Mining

Construction

Manufacturing

Transportation, Communications, Electric, Gas, And Sanitary Services

Wholesale Trade

Retail Trade

Finance, Insurance, And Real Estate

Services

Public Administration

The invented category seems part of an ongoing stream of commentary (outside Wikipedia) seeking to de-legitimize any public use of money. That's not our objective here.

^{[neutrality is disputed]} ^{[original research?]}

What the government classifies as "service jobs" account for 38% of the county's jobs, the true service sector is larger.

Posing "what the government classifies as" against "the true" asserts the editor's classification as true, implying by contrast that the authorized, peer-reviewed SIC classifications are untrue. :-(

The 2009 top employers fall into the following SIC Divisions/MajorGroups:

California Polytechnic SU	SERVICES/Educational SERVICES
County of San Luis Obispo	PUBLIC Administration/Government
California Men's Colony	PUBLIC Administration/PUBLIC Order
Pacific Gas and Electric	Transportation,Communications,Electric,Gas,and Sanitary SERVICES/Electric SERVICES
Cal Poly Corporation	SERVICES/Business SERVICES
Cuesta College	SERVICES/Educational SERVICES
Tenet Healthcare	SERVICES/Health SERVICES
San Luis Coastal USD	SERVICES/Educational SERVICES
City of San Luis Obispo	PUBLIC Administration/Government
Community Action Partners SLO	PUBLIC Administration/HR

^{[neutrality is disputed]} ^{[original research?]}

Government jobs accounts for 20.7% of the County, which is also recognized as a service sector. The presence of Finance, Insurance, and Real Estate sector can also be classified as a service sector. Services and Retail combined accounts for 75% of county jobs. Manufacturing jobs now represent less than 6% of the county jobs.

The author's wholesale unsourced re-categorization taints the paragraph. The phrasing -- "now represent less" -- implies loss without explanation, without trend numbers, without a summary of job percentages in all ten SIC divisions. It echoes certain shallow handwringing in other media in not mentioning the applicability of automation in Manufacturing vs automation in other fields, and the resultant "new normal" distribution of jobs. Since that discussion is beyond the article's scope, the article should stick to the neutral things that can be said.

A more neutral phrasing would be:

Six of San Luis Obispo County's top ten employers, as shown below, fall in the Standard Industrial Classification of Services, four fall in Public Administration.

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History[edit]

On Nov. 23 an anonymous IP from San Luis Obispo undid my deletion of a completely absurd reference to "Cody Allan Warnes, the town's messiah" in the Native American section. Unless this someone can actually come up with a source for the supposed Messiah, this is simply trolling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gilhuus (talk • contribs) 03:25, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

History[edit]

The San Luis Obispo Chamber of Commerce is listed as the oldest, but there's no date/age listed, and no support for this claim. Is it actually older than the San Luis County Band? The Band was founded in 1881 as the successor to the San Luis Military Band, which itself was founded in 1874. http://www.slocountyband.org/history.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.29.184.2 (talk) 20:16, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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