Talk:Airborne forces

First known airborne command company

Hello writer:

I had to use Google to translate.

This is translated from the German Wikipedia, maybe it will be useful for you:

The first known airborne command company in military history was carried out by Rudolf Windisch and Maximilian von Cossel from October 2 to 3, 1916. Lieutenant von Cossel was deposed by Vice Sergeant Windisch southwest of Rowno by plane (Roland C.II). Cossel interrupted the Rowno-Brody railway line by blowing up several times and after 24 hours he was picked up again by Windisch by plane.

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Notes

A few notes for anyone querying my changes:

1. Airborne units typically do not consist of all three types. e.g. 82nd and 101 Airborne at D-Day, British Parachute Regiment, U.S. Air Cavalry, etc.
2. Glider borne troops do not just follow the paratroops. On many occations they preceded them (see Pegasus Bridge).
3. We badly need a reference for the 1927 Italian paratroop drop. Some sites claim the Italians made the first combat drops in 1918, but I've found nothing about a 1927 drop.

Most of this page should probably be moved to paratroop, and separate histories made for the other forms of airborne troops. DJ Clayworth 18:31, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Here is a page which mention 1927: [1] Rmhermen 19:17, Jan 12, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Rmhermen, I'm convinced. DJ Clayworth 22:42, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I beleive you have done an excellent job by pointing out Airborne forces apart from paratroopers. AFAIK, the reason is because not everyone who is Airborne is a paratrooper. For example, most of the American infantrymen are Airborne capable, but still they are referenced as infantrymen instead of paratroopers because their main tasks are not Airborne operations. --Maio 07:48, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)

All the militaries I am familiar with (after 18 years of active duty it is many) differentiate the above in the same manner. Airborne forces are units that exit aircraft while in flight, and can (but do not HAVE to) arrive at the battle by parachute. Many soldiers are "Airborne", that is trained in military parachuting but Paratroopers are soldiers who are assigned to an Airborne Unit such as the 82nd Airborne Division or the British 1st Para etc. Any unit that does not utilize parachutes to arrive in combat is not referred to as airborne but as air mobile (101st), mechanized (3rd ID, 1st ID), armored (1st AR, 1st CAV). This addresses the "all three types" comment above as well. Airborne units today have and use helicopters, the AH 58, Kiowa Warrior is among the first equipment to arrive at the airhead where it can be placed into it's operational configuration in under 20 minutes. During the formation of the American Airborne forces during WWII glider units were incorporated into all of the Airborne Divisions to allow heavier artillery, vehicles and other equipment to arrive on the drop zones with the lightly armed paratroopers. --82nd Paratrooper 16:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone have a better definition of airlanding and airmobile. The current ones don't seem to differentiate much. DJ Clayworth 22:42, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Airland refers to troops and equipment arriving at an airhead or lodgement, normally by fixed wing aircraft. Airmobile refers to helicopter borne troops and equipment. An Airmobile mission is distinct from an Air Assault mission due to the logistical nature of the airmobile and the combat nature of the air assault. i.e. an air assault is executed to engage the enemy, an airmobile is executed to bring in re-enforcements or logistics. --82nd Paratrooper 16:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

You can always use the DOD Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms. =) --Maio 07:48, Jan 17, 2004 (UTC)

"Reason of creation: Need to deliver troops behind German enemy lines in WWII" This should be changed, the US is not the only country that has airborne forces.

There's a lot of information on this page with no citations. Are the citations located elsewhere? --sugarman

Soviet Airborne

I've popped some stuff on here about the Soviet Airborne forces during the Cold War; they were the world's biggest and had extensive combat experience in Afghanistan. My source is Steven J. Zaloga, an American expert on the Warsaw Pact.Andyana 16:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Operation Varsity, New User

Hi. I've just finished doing a Second-Year University Dissertation on Airborne Forces In WWII, and would love to help here. I added a reference to the Max Hastings quote in the Varsity section. It can be seen in the html of the article, but not the actual page. I can do a lot more here, but I've no idea how to complete references so they show up. Sorry :) ' Skinny87

Editing Article, Adding Citations

I'm going to try and work on this article in the next few weeks and add citations, although I'll primarily be focusing on World War II operations and anything before that period. 'Skinny87 20:02 19 April 2008

I know that it's a rather lengthy list I just added to 'Further Reading', but does anyone have any objections or comments to it being there? Skinny87 (talk) 18:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Soviet and Russian VDV

The article says that the VDV consisted (consists) of almost exclusively Slavic individuals. Would there be a source for that? I know for a fact that this isn't true today. If nobody provides a source for this claim, I will remove it. 75.170.70.1 (talk) 22:11, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Uncited Works

There is a long list of uncited books in 'further reading' & web sites in 'External Links'. If they are not worth citing they should be deleted. Graeme374 (talk) 05:15, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Heroes of Kolwezi

In the post-WW2 section, there is no mention of 2REP drop into Kolwezi, Zaire, May 1978. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kolwezi Antares.press (talk) 09:03, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

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VDV assault on Hostomel

The VDV landed on Hostomel with helicopters and re-inforced by over-land columns. There's no evidence of parachutes being used in this operation. It seems the idea was to take the airport by helicopter, and then landing additional forces on the airstrip. When that failed, VDV forces drove into Hostomel overland and were annihiliated by Ukrainian forces (special forces, territorial volunteers and artillery).

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• On February 24, 2022, during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russian paratroopers from the 11th Guards Air Assault Brigade captured Hostomel Airport on the outskirts of Kyiv, following back-and-forth fighting. Russian forces subsequently retreated on 28 March. The Russian Airborne Forces received high casualties during the war up to the point that the branch commander Colonel-General Andrey Serdyukov was fired on 18 June.

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