Talk:Tommy Sheridan

Expelled?

The page says before leaving Labour. Wasn't Sheridan one of those _expelled_ for being a "member" of militant? -- Finlay McWalter 12:29, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Also, the page says active in the Militant Tendency inside the Labour Party. This will probably sound odd to someone not familiar with the term "Militant Tendency", so I'd suggest "...the Militant Tendency movement..." or "...the Militant Tendency faction..." or something. I've not put it in myself as the question of whether 'it' was a 'thing' at all was a tendentious matter. -- Finlay McWalter 12:39, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)

It was a separate organisation. See Militant Tendency and entryism. Secretlondon 12:42, Nov 10, 2003 (UTC)

Well, that's kinda my point. The "kinnockites" said "it's a party within a party" while the "militants" denied this, saying "we're just a random bunch of people who happen to think the same thing". The Militant Tendency page says faction which seems to be a neutral expression (IMHO). -- Finlay McWalter 12:45, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)

RSL/Convenor

I presume that RSL stands for Republican Socialist League - but this is not explained in the article.

Perhaps someone could confirm and add note in text?

Also, I had a look at the SSP's site from the link at the bottom and noticed it says that Sheridan is the convenor of the SSP.

Hmmm.... didn't he resign to be replaced by Colin Fox. Or is the SSP site just out of date?

Camillus^(talk) 02:36, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Revolutionary Socialist league in fact 193.51.149.216 15:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

"Catholic Trotskyist family"

Does this make sense? I would have thought Trotskyist implies Marxist implies atheist implies not Catholic. Does it mean "family of Trotskyists from a Roman Catholic background" or something similar?A Geek Tragedy 16:30, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes it does make sense. Have you heard of a Christain Jew or an Christian Arab? My point is clear. The UK does not demand atheism of it's Karl Marx admirers. (82.44.79.85 01:46, 5 August 2006 (UTC))

The comparison with a Christian Arab or a Christian Jew isn't relevant. Jews and Arabs specifically belong to racial/ethnic groupings, not to religions or ideologies. Judaism is the religion of the Jews, which a Jew may chose to follow, or not. A Jew raised in orthodox judaism is still a Jew regardless of his subsequent religious beliefs. There is no greater inherent conflict in being a Christian Arab than a Christian Celt. It is true that the UK does not demand atheism of its Karl Marx admirers, but you will find that the Roman Catholic Church disapproves of Communism in its various forms as an ideology, so the two belief systems are not compatible.

Thank you, unsigned. This is roughly what I meant alothough I was thinking more about marxism not liking religion than the other way around. Materialism is pretty central to marxism (if I understood Marx right) and there is the stuff about "opium of the people". A Geek Tragedy 16:58, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

In Scotland or in Ireland, being from a Catholic family is important, whethe ror not you believe in God - it means you are part of the group which is discriminated against 193.51.149.216 15:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC) I wasn't aware anyone had questioned the significance of Sheridan coming from a Roman Catholic family. However, I'm glad POV statements such as yours are confined to discussion, rather than the page itself. I am unaware that being a Roman Catholic in Scotland will mean a person suffers discrimination - it certainly doesn't in politics. As for Ireland, I was under the impression that Ireland is officially Roman Catholic, so where's the discrimination in that? Or do you mean Northern Ireland, and it's just that your kneejerk responses lead you into inaccuracy? JFM

I think you can be a catholic trotskyist and an atheist. In fact, I think I am one. Incidentally anti-catholic discrimination in Scotland and England is not rare. Johncmullen1960 (talk) 07:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

well known...Trotskyist family..?

What is all this about? Well known by whom? I have never heard of any other members of Sheridan's family who might be considered well known. Certainly not well known in politics. So, I would contend that it is false to suggest that he comes from a well known family of any kind.

Tommy's mother Alice was leading activist in the anti-poll tax movement, was expelled from the Labour Party for her support of Militant and was a candidate for the SSP on a number of occassions she remains a public spokesperson for Solidarity. His sister was a reaonably well known Militant activist in the 1980's. She is also a practising Catholic (see discussion above). Citation for Alice's role is available in Tommy's autobiography and in press coverage of his trial. She was a significant influence on Tommy's early political development. Green ribbon (talk) 16:14, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

NPOV: Edits by Press officer of Solidarity

I have reverted the edits made by Jim Monaghan assuming that he is the same Jim Monaghan referred to in this article http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,,1879927,00.html Ms medusa 17:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I have again reverted similar edits made by JimMonaghan Ms medusa 21:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I added edits on an upfront basis assuming people knew who I was. I could easily have logged in as a pseudonym like others do and have my edits accepted, but there is no reason to revert my edits unless there is a reason to. I thought it better that I do this in my own name for transparency. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jim Monaghan (talk • contribs) 23:29, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Daddy Dog record

Its true - although I cant find a source for itMs medusa 16:24, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

OK now found source Ms medusa 16:27, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

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Please note: the second sentence of the paragraph which commences 'Tommy Sheridan claimed in court that the ...' is inaccurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.55.192 (talk) 18:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Arrest at warrant sale

I think the second line of paragraph two contains an inaccuracy: "and was jailed for six months for trying to stop a warrant sale". As I recall, he was arrested and imprisoned for breaching an interdict forbidding his presence at the warrant sale. His six month sentence was, therefore, not for interfering with the sale but for contempt of the court's order. Cpmac (talk) 13:31, 21 February 2008 (UTC)Cpmac

Why is Sheridan's show-business career being deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.54.76 (talk) 12:26, 11 May 2008 (UTC) Because he shouldn't be whoring himself to stuff like Shitlebrity Big Brother. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.31.14.158 (talk) 19:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Ahem, if you paid attention you'd see that Sheridan used the money to pay for his time at University. If you could get that amount of money for 5 days work you'd do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.133.7.38 (talk) 17:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

European election

I am not disputing that there have been reports in the press that Sheridan might contest the european election, but I have seen other reports that he has decided not to stand, presumably deciding to concentrate on his legal case. Can anyone clarify? PatGallacher (talk) 13:23, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

He was on the party list for No2EU-Yes to Democracy, a left wing Anti-EU group, that realistically had no chance of winning anything. Sheridan was 2nd on the list if I remember the ballot paper correctly. All I know is that in Scotland they got only 7,000 odd votes, so obviously got no-one elected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.169.73 (talk) 22:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Substance Abuse?

"Sheridan denies drinking the champagne and the claim of substance abuse"

He's an adult who, allegedly, imbibed cocaine through free choice. I don't think the term 'Substance abuse' covers this. 'Substance Abuse' is a clumsy term, I believe the term 'Cocaine user' or 'used cocaine' is much more accurate and correct. Thru-a-hoop (talk) 06:47, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

This article, and the one on the trial, is likely to experience a lot of hits on Wednesday. I suggest we give them a careful copyedit before then. PatGallacher (talk) 21:09, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Bug

"In March 2007, Sheridan claimed his car had been bugged. He said he didn't believe MI5 were responsible.[41]" The source cited states no such thing. If he did state this it wasn't in that source. Alan G, 20 March 2011 —Preceding undated comment added 13:48, 20 March 2011 (UTC).

This is correct. The citation from the The Herald (Glasgow) says [1] "The Herald understands that detectives are taking the investigation seriously and that the device is not of the kind used by British security services."--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 14:16, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

True but the article on wikipedia reads as if there is a quote attributed to Sheridan stating that. The Herald article doesn't attribute the quote to anyone. Sheridan talking about MI5 was received with mockery on various corners of the net and he responded by saying he never made any such claim. Anyone looking into that issue might think this article gives credence to his later claims by implying that from the start he was denying MI5 involvement.Alan G, 22:06, 20 March 2011.

The current wording in the article has stuck to what the Glasgow Herald article says. The material that was unsourced was removed.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:17, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Sheridan "due to leave jail"

In the news today: "Tommy Sheridan is expected to be released from Castle Huntly open prison - just over a year into his three-year sentence".BBC News--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:12, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Apparently he has got to wear an electronic tag for the next six months, but this did not seem notable enough for the article. It is in the citations.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:53, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Coulson's alleged perjury

I've added that Coulson's been charged with perjury to the lead, but it might be better being moved to the illegal surveillance section, where there is earlier info about it. CS Miller (talk) 19:21, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Done. Philip Cross (talk) 20:52, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

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Arrest at warrant sale I think the second line of paragraph two contains an inaccuracy: "and was jailed for six months for trying to stop a warrant sale". As I recall, he was arrested and imprisoned for breaching an interdict forbidding his presence at the warrant sale. His six month sentence was, therefore, not for interfering with the sale but for contempt of the court's order. Cpmac (talk) 13:42, 20 February 2008 (UTC)Cpmac

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First line of lede

Does anyone want to suppor the IP's repeated attempts to insert "and convict" [2] in the first line of the lede? We cover the issue in the article and even in the lede, but it seems WP:UNDUE to me to add this to the first line. Is this really what he is known for? Meters (talk) 05:40, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

No, it's just a cheap attempt to violate WP:NPOV and WP:BLP. His main source of notability is as a politician and the libel action and subsequent prison sentence are given adequate coverage in the WP:LEAD. See also Jonathan Aitken.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 05:50, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the confirmation. Meters (talk) 05:56, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

I totally agree with you. ‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones ^{The Welsh Buzzard} ‑ ‑ 11:23, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

IP has been blocked again, this time for edit warring to add "and ex convict" to the first line of the lede. That's no more acceptable than the first version. Meters (talk) 19:11, 23 January 2018 (UTC)