Talk:Matsu Islands

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"Nominal"

"...is nominally in Lienchiang County". Doesn't "nominal" mean that the Matsu aren't really administered in power by the ROC? But they are under the control of the ROC, completely. The modern and official facilities on the Matsu are built by the ROC, aren't they? And the officials definitely are paid for, legally, by the ROC, since they represent the ROC. Of course, the PRC claims the Matsu, but it claims the entire Taiwan as well. Does it mean then, that Taiwan is also nominally in the ROC? --Menchi 07:56 29 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Yeah, I would take out the "nominal." A functioning county government still exists for Lienchiang. --Jiang 00:09 4 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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Complete island list

I tried to find a complete list of the 19 islands' names, but couldn't. Maybe many are unnamed because unexplored and uninhabited. --Menchi 07:03 30 Jun 2003 (UTC)

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Following is moved from Talk:Lianjiang

(merge Lienchiang into Lianjiang? --Jiang [Summarized])

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Now, yes, Lianjiang & Lienchiang have the same official name, and it's no coincidence, but theoretically, should it? Many Matsu residents aren't so sure. It could've been Matsu County, maybe it'll, although probably it won't any time soon, probably never. But if it is called Matsu County, wouldn't be merged with Matsu Islands in an instant? Why wait? What's the difference? The merger should happen between Matsu Islands and Lienchiang County. But what would be called? Matsu seems the best choice, but it's taken (thanks to me, Mwa-haha!!!!). Maybe Matsu (region)?

I can't find a precedent on WP, most islands with a collective name have been under the jurisdiction of a political entity by that exact name. Some one-named island(s) are divided, but that's irrelvant to the Matsu Islands case here, for they are the political entity that got divided. Do you know another political island like Matsu?

--Menchi 23:21 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with merging Lienchiang with Matsu Islands. Actually, I see Taiwan as a precedent. The country template is placed in Taiwan rather than Republic of China, even though ROC is technically the country and Taiwan just a region. Go ahead with the merger, but it needs to be clarified in Lianjiang that the county is divided and that particular article just deals with the PRC side. --Jiang 06:53 3 Jul 2003 (UTC)

That country template actually is used on some major regions as well, like Tibet, but admittedly, that's just a fragmentary remnants of stuff moved to Xizang.

I actually thought the Taiwan-ROC merged article is a horrible, horrible one, of two mismatching things. Moreover, we do have a ROC article in existence! That table with flag and coat of arms definitely don't belong on the Taiwan article, although some stats probably apply. But I don't know what to leave in the Taiwan article, what to add, and what to take out (into the ROC article).

But that's besides the point, since the Matsu/Lienchiang case is different: They co-exist completely (whereas TW/ROC do not), and the Matsu/Lienchiang merger seems fine to me.

Ok, so back to the merger, so what should the titles be? Does Matsu (region) work? Does that imply something it's not? I don't know, the specifer seems to be ignoring its aspect as a ROC county. But Lienchiang ignores the famous name of Matsu. It's a hard one. --Menchi 19:53 3 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I see nothing wrong with Matsu Islands or Matsu (islands). Matsu (region) seems somewhat awkward, as "regions" usually refer to sections of landmasses. I think the current title is fine. --Jiang 23:49 3 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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Naming

> The People's Republic of China controls the part of the county > adjoining the mainland and has a separate administration for that > jurisdiction, Lianjiang County, which claims the entire archipelago to > be its Mazu Township (妈祖乡). Are the islands considered Mazu Township? Is this fact correct? Wouldn't an area that big be bigger than a township? Moreover, Mazu is not listed under the lists of townships on Lianjiang on the Lianjiang page. Can somebody clarify?

Dpr 04:55 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Move finished

Call to rename, include a geographical diferentiator

So there are 2 Lianjiang counties: one under the PRC and the other under the ROC control: y dont we rename both?

Lianjiang County, People's Republic of China and
Lianjiang County, Republic of China

Hanyu Pinyin is now the legal standard in the ROC, the same as in the PRC...

Mazu is not an official name, its just the common name...

We have Taiwan Province (ROC) and Taiwan Province PRC

Just now i watched: wiki this: "Taoyuan County": it shows 2 taoyuan counties: both reflect a geographical differentiator in their name (Taiwan and Hunan, shouldnt we follow that? Gumuhua (talk) 18:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

This suggestion was unwarranted at the time (2009) and is still unwarranted today (2020). The local government website calls the county Lienchiang County. [1] Geographyinitiative (talk) 01:27, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Clarification on "First government" wishing to change name

The statement: "This is the first example of a local government officially wishing to change its name." Is this first EVER in the world, or in Taiwan, or in the history of China? Newfoundland in Canada officially changed its name to Newfoundland and Labrador after unofficially using the name for many years. --Mistakefinder (talk) 12:54, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

In 1820, the District of Maine was changed into the State of Maine after decades of being part of Massachusetts ever since the 1600s. In 1792, the western end of Virginia became Kentucky because its residents wanted to have their own state, and Virginia consented to it. Then the case of part of Virginia becoming West Virginia in 1863 is more complicated, but once again, the residents of that part of Virginia wanted to have their own state.

In Europe, what we now call Belgium and Luxembourg both used to be part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, but Belgium split off during the 1840s (during a period of strife but no war) and Luxembourg split off in about 1890 because the people there did not want a female monarch, Queen Wilhelmina. Here, we're talking about countries, but Luxembourg is quite small. During 1940-44, Luxembourg was also part of the Third Reich, but that was involuntary since this was imposed by Nazi Germany from the outside.

In the United States, the former City of New York (Manhattan) voluntarily joined with Brooklyn (a real city), Queens County, and The Bronx merged in 1892 to form Metropolitan New York. Then Richmond County (Staten Island) was added to that in 1894. Brooklyn and Richmond County gave up what they had had to become the Borough of Brooklyn and the Borough of Staten Island.
The Commonwealth of the Philippines (est. 1935), gave up that name and status in mid-1946 because the people of the Philippines had asked for independence and the United States had grated it peacefully and with its blessings. Thus, those islands became the Republic of the Philippines.

98.67.108.16 (talk) 19:12, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

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wow, really so close to Mainland China?!

Hi,

I just checked power stations of taiwan, and since in Nangan is one 15.4 MW Diesel, and I did not find any other in the "Matsu Islands" (only the largest are shown seperated by fuel source), 15.4 MW is not much, but now "low" too... However, than I saw this map since I thought it would be a place with not so many citizen and no real towns or even cities, 15,400 kW is a lot for private use to a small population, especially if you use modern energy efficient things, but there is also a massive 2,000 MW fuel oil-fired power station, and 2,000 MW is really large, this station is one of the largest consumer of fuel oil for power stations in the world if it is not just a standby-powerplant, but I do not think so... Taiwan gets now since oil price crash 2014 a discount from OPEC members to the anyway alrready low prices, the discount was/is(?) up to 5% to hold/win market share, since Russia could offer to supply, or Malaysia, Brunei... China could re-export but I think because of the difficult diplomatic status this is no real option.

For example ~10% of the whole US electricity consumption is done by refrigerators, I think the very large and big for warehouses, stores etc... and I think it is quite warm there?!

combined with the Home refrigerator... I just checked the European Energy-Efficiency standards from A+++ down to B (could only find 2 "B Models"), A and A+ are the cheapest mass-produced, however in the US it is heavy, but I do not know the clima there, in South US and Hawaii of course there is a large need... a refrigerator with a room temperature of 17° Celsius is using of course less energy for cooling than one which is staying right in the sunlight and where the temperatures are above 30° Celsius (which would be 86° Fahrenheit), and in the South there are often temperatures above 30° Celsius... 35° Celsius is already 95° Fahrenheit but possible in Florida, Texas, California etc for more than only 1 or 2 days a year...

but back to the card:

How far is the smallest distance between Taiwan Islands and "Peoples Republic China" Mainland or their Islands?! Greetings Kilon22 (talk) 12:29, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

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Move to Mazu Islands

The sign says MATSU NANGAN AIRPORT

Should we move this article to Mazu Islands? Pinyin is the government standard now. Placenames in the ROC are now always in pinyin, unless they are on this list. Matsu Islands is not (as it is not the name of a county). So why would we keep the old spelling, instead of moving this page to Mazu Islands? De wafelenbak (talk) 11:13, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

The Matsu Islands local governments call their location by the name Matsu in English: [2] [3] [4] [5] and not by the name "Mazu". The central government does too: "The Republic of China (Taiwan) is situated in the West Pacific between Japan and the Philippines. Its jurisdiction extends to the archipelagoes of Penghu, Kinmen and Matsu, as well as numerous other islets." [6] [7]. The position expressed above is more pro-Hanyu Pinyin than is the position of China Daily [8] and Xinhua News Agency [9], mainland China media outlets that call the main island Matsu and the island group the Matsu Islands. The main airport is Matsu Nangan Airport (see signage in the photograph). This proposal is seemingly just an overextension of the Hanyu Pinyin-only viewpoint that ignores the conditions on the ground in terms of actual English language usage (journalism, etc) and the Taiwan government's apparent policies as seen on the central and local government websites. It's just too insensitive to the actual situation to make the change proposed- not even English language mainland China media outlets ignore what the English language name of the island and island group is. Geographyinitiative (talk) 01:23, 5 October 2020 (UTC) (modified)

Also: Google results for "Matsu Islands"- 83,200. Google results for "Mazu Islands"- 2,540, and the first result is this talk page conversation. Geographyinitiative (talk) 23:33, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Excessive quotes

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Earlier in the debate, then-Vice President Nixon mentioned:  In the Truman Administration 600 million people went ...

UNDUE. Let us remove them. Zezen (talk) 14:49, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

The quotes added here are an important part of the history of the islands. They were quoted widely at the time and are still being quoted today- see the citations. Geographyinitiative (talk) 01:25, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

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Not sure how this image could be used here, but it seems like it could be.

Polling results of Matsu Renaming

Geographyinitiative (talk) 23:45, 4 October 2020 (UTC)