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I deleted the following as unnecessary detail about the life of a non-major person. If someone feels that it's worth including in the article, please go ahead and put it back:

A Timeline of Queen Ingrid's Life

28 March 1910: Queen Ingrid is born at the Royal Palace, Stockholm. She was the daughter of King Gustaf (VI) Adolf of Sweden and the English-born Crown Princess Margareta. 15 March 1935: Engagement to Crown Prince Frederik of Denmark. 24 May 1935: Wedding in Storkyrkan in Stockholm. 26 May 1935: Arrival in Denmark. 16 April 1940: Birth of Queen Margrethe II, Queen of Denmark. 29 April 1944: Birth of Princess Benedikte zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg. 30 August 1946: Birth of Queen Anne-Marie, formerly Queen of the Hellenes. 20 April 1947: Crown Prince Frederik succeeds his father, King Christian X of Denmark, and the new Danish Royal Couple take the names of King Frederik IX and Queen Ingrid of Denmark. 5 June 1953: Together with a new Constitution, Denmark is given a new Act of Succession, which introduces partial female succession to the throne. 14 January 1972: King Frederik IX dies, and Queen Ingrid is left a widow, but her title remains Her Majesty the Queen of Denmark. 7 June 1972: Queen Ingrid signs a declaration making it possible for her to act as Regent in the absent of Queen Margrethe II. 1972: The restoration of the Chancellery at Fredensborg Palace is commenced and completed in 1975. 7 November 2000 Queen Ingrid of Denmark dies in the Chancellery at Fredensborg Palace.

-- Zoe

no surname, please[edit]

Question: Isn't Ingrid scond cousin to the Prince of Wales (Edw VIII)? her mother and George V were first cousins, both grandchildren of Queen Victoria.

per convention, kings and queens do not have a surname. Being a Mrs von Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg is subsumed totally under of being HRH crown princess of Denmark. I shuld have guessed that it was the infamous Mowens who added that irrelevant and ridiculous piece of information. 217.140.193.123 21:49, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

They do have a surname. They just don't use them. Wikipedia correctly puts in the surname as it is a fact worth mentioning. FearÉIREANN(talk) 22:54, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Actually, you are wrong re queen-consorts of Denmark. King Frederick IX did not have an official surname. And certainly his wife did not take his surname, even if he had one.

This trend here in Wikipedia where married surnames have been added to royals all and sundry, is ridiculous.

As she did not have a married surname, the only info re it would be that her husband belonged to the House of S-H-S-G. But even that belongs better to the article about the husband himself.

Could you please give evidence that the queen consort of Denmark legally had a married surname? evidence such as Danish register of residents? 217.140.193.123 20:53, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

queen ingrid[edit]

Would anyone know if Queen Ingrid came to New Zealand around 1963, namely the North Island. Do you know if she visited a Northland Maternity Hospital: Kawakawa Hospital, she spoke to my mother whilst she was there?

leave a message for me so we can type talk, Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.154.21.175 (talk) 04:39, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

During the WWII occupation[edit]

I do not remember were I have read this, so I can not insert the information, but I have read about Ingrid's great importance regarding her conduct during the occupation, as is already pointed out in the article: it was said, that she was so adamant not to socialize with the occupation forces, that she did not speak one word to one German during the entire war and occupation - something the royal couple and her own husband was forced to do at least sometimes. This gave her great popularity. If someone have a reference, then it should be added! --85.226.44.238 (talk) 17:04, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cleptomania?[edit]

I must take issue with the edit summary comment here. This was not necessarily vandalism.

Many royal ladies and gentlemen have been accused of (though to my knowledge never prosecuted for) petty theft or cleptomania in shops they frequent in their own countries, Ingrid's sister-in-law Princess Lilian and stepmother Queen Louise among them. One of the ladies or a court functionary (I don't remember who now) was asked about this a few decades ago and explained that the reason it happens - always quite openly and noticeably - is an assumption that any shop owner knows where to send an invoice and that royalty traditionally never carries cash or credit cards. Shop clerks, never owners, are the people known to start gossip about cleptomania, as far as I've seen and heard, especially those who were not attentive enough to make a note of what was taken. Thus, it's perfectly possible that Queen Ingrid has had such a reputation, without any crime ever being intended. SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:00, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Title when husband reigned[edit]

Danes! Correct me if I'm wrong: Ingrid was officially called Danmarks Dronning (the Queen of Denmark) during her husband's reign. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:39, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@SergeWoodzing: That's correct. You become a queen if you marry a king, but only a prince if you marry a queen. The name of the Danish article is Dronning Ingrid (Dronning means queen). Christian75 (talk) 12:26, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Did her title change after she was widowed? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:25, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@SergeWoodzing: She became an enkedronning (literal widow queen) but the public (and news) still called her (just) "queen". I did a search and found an article about Crown Princess Mary[1]. it says that if she become a "window queen" she would still retain her rank of majesty and you still have to adress her as "Your Majesty". Christian75 (talk) 12:58, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ingrid specifically explained that she would never be called "queen mother" and retained the full title of Her Majesty Queen Ingrid of Denmark even after her husband's death. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:17, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But she was no longer “Her Majesty The Queen of Denmark” after her husband’s death. There is a difference. The title in the lede even redirects to List of Danish royal consorts, which Queen Ingrid ceased to be following her husband’s death. AKTC3 (talk) 13:37, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was no change in her title when Frederik died. She was still called Her Majesty Queen Ingrid of Denmark. Nobody has said she was still called The Queen. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:41, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes there was. During the reign of her husband she was officially titled “Her Majesty The Queen of Denmark,” as wives of Danish Kings are called. However, when her husband died, her daughter was then title “Her Majesty The Queen of Denmark” and Ingrid just became “Her Majesty Queen Ingrid of Denmark.” By your argument, she would have been always officially titled “Queen Ingrid of Denmark” which was only a style for reference like “King Frederick IX of Denmark” but he was officially “His Majesty The King of Denmark.”
To put it simply:
  • 20 April 1947 – 14 January 1972: Her Majesty The Queen of Denmark
  • 14 January 1972 – her death: Her Majesty Queen Ingrid of Denmark
AKTC3 (talk) 01:05, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This matter seems to be controversial to one user. I cannot see how it could be important be to specify that her status as queen ceased when her husband died. It did not. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:45, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a conventional for pretty much most consorts in monarchical history. There can be no two consorts at the same tome. Her status as queen did not cease, but her status as queen consort did. That’s what Queen of Denmark in the lede refers to. She was Queen of Denmark as the wife of King Frederick IX. That is understood to mean queen consort, which she cease to be when her husband passed. Since then, she was just a dowager queen. AKTC3 (talk) 01:00, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We agree now, and I have made a corresponding adjustment. The lead must not confuse a reader to think that she wasn't Queen of Denmark (not The Queen) in widowhood. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:46, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have to disagree. She wasn’t Queen of Denmark in widowhood. Her daughter was. I know it’s confusing but I don’t think such a mention is appropriate for the lede. I propose a titles and styles section if you desire to elaborate on titles. AKTC3 (talk) 17:03, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It might be a good idea to read what one has written oneself - "14 January 1972 – her death: Her Majesty Queen Ingrid of Denmark" - and to read what actually has been added to the lead, before one keeps arguing a moot subject. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:50, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And as I have continuously repeated to little avail – baring the style “Her Majesty Queen Ingrid of Denmark” as a widow and being Queen of Denmark are not the same thing. There can only be one Queen of Denmark at a time. And as I said before Queen of Denmark in the lede redirects to the list of Danish Royal consorts. So Queen of Denmark in the lede refers to her status as a queen consort, which she held only during her husband’s reign. She was Queen of Denmark so long as her husband was alive. You can’t be Queen of Denmark as a dowager queen. And just because you added it to the lede doesn’t mean it works there. It comes off as irrelevant to the idea that was originally mentioned. AKTC3 (talk) 20:59, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One cannot be "The Queen of Denmark" as a dowager. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:46, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As a friendly observer, I just want to point out that none of you has made reference to a WP:reliable source to back up your assertions about Ingrid's titles here. And that's all I'm going to say. Textorus (talk) 08:29, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! It is on my bucket list (... bookaaay list? ...) to get a reliable biography to read asap, where I know this will be found. I am first in the middle of a fascinationg new biography of Margaret the Great. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 16:26, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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