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Greater London?[edit]

Wouldn't Greater London be considered a Metropolitan County since it has the same structure as Greater Manchester and the West Midlands?2602:306:CC42:8340:8D28:A27D:3FBD:4499 (talk) 20:32, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unlike the metropolitan counties, Greater London exists as a local government entity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.54.207.205 (talk) 14:44, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Established[edit]

when where the MCs established? 1974?

Yes. Arwel 10:52, 11 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
Apart from Greater London which was created in about 1965 G-Man 11:00, 11 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
yes, but Greater London's not technically the same thing as a Metropolitan County. Arwel 11:15, 11 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
Weren't at least some of the local government elections held at the end of 1973, so that councillors could 'hit the ground running' in May 1974?...garryq 16:23, 11 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Metropolitan counties were judged to be a success?[edit]

How can this be true? The abolition of the two-tier system, and hence any kind of stragic "metropolitan" value these entities had, was already being planned only nine years after their creation. What was left was a series of unitary authorities, and a mess of joint boards instead of the grand unified "metropolitan" plan. This is no better than what was in place prior to their creation — in fact it is exactly the same. What it has done though is leave a legacy of confused identity in the areas that this grand expriment was conducted in. I would hardly call that a success. The assertion that two major regorganisations of government in twelve years to leave the situation worse than it was before "is a success" has no citation and is demonstrably untrue. Owain 18:36, 27 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

From what I recall reading somewhere, in the 1990s the government looked at abolishing the met counties entirely as they did with Humberside, Avon etc, but decided against it because they had 'caught on' amongst the public, and recommended keeping them in their post-1986 form. I dont know if I can find a source for that, but I remeber hearing it somewhere. As everyone knows the abolition of the MCCs was entirely politically motivated, as the high-spend Labour administrations clashed with Thatcherism, and had little to do with 'administrative efficiency' or whatever was claimed. From what I've read the government is considering bringing the met counties (or something similar) back into administrative use, but renaming them as city regions. In a similar vein to what they've done in Greater London with the GLA. G-Man 18:35, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Abolishing them entirely would just be a paper exercise though as they don't actually have any direct administrative functions. This is why I would suggest the wording of them being "a success" is a little over-stated. Perhaps "there being no need to" would be better. Also without any public opinion polls it would be hard to assert that they have universally "caught on" either. There are certainly groups of people in the Wirral who object very stongly to associations with Liverpool, and people in towns in "South East Lancashire and North East Cheshire" with separate identities from Manchester! Owain 11:23, 3 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
If, as the use of the present tense suggests, the met counties still exist, can we include links to the MCs' websites with details of where their HQ buildings are and their telephone numbers? I contend that the MCs no longer exist and shouldn't be written about as if they do exist, even this offends politicians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:5988:EC00:DD15:2186:E814:1DF6 (talk) 14:46, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OS maps[edit]

Actually I wonder why ordnance survey maps have stopped showing the met counties. It seems to have been a recent thing. I have an OS map of the Greater Manchester area from 1993, some seven years after the county council's demise, which shows Gtr Manchester. I have seen the latest version of the map from 2005 which only shows the Met boroughs. I wonder why this has been done? Are the OS under the false impression that the Met counties no longer exist or something? Can anyone shed some light on this. G-Man * 23:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Or maybe they don't exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 (talk) 18:14, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's surely be a bit of a shock to the West Midlands Police or the Greater Manchester Combined Authority. --MichiganCharms (talk) 21:08, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yet those aren't metropolitan counties, which exist no more than Middlesex does. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.54.207.205 (talk) 14:43, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Extra Space In ==References==[edit]

There extra space right after the 24th footnote. Please remove it. If it's a bug, report it to bugzilla.24.65.69.8 (talk) 00:05, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction?[edit]

"The metropolitan districts had more powers than non-metropolitan districts, in that they were responsible for services such as education, and social services. In the non-metropolitan counties these were the responsibility of the county councils." vs. table on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_district#Functions_and_powers 71.171.138.221 (talk) 23:00, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

existence[edit]

The encyclopedia needs to go beyond nonsensical official versions of the truth. These counties only actually exist as ceremonial ones and the article needs to be historical (rather than purporting to be about something current). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 (talk) 18:29, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's like writing: "Henry VIII is the king of England.
Current status: Henry VIII is dead and therefore no longer king of England.

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