Talk:Siamese cat

Chester and Squeak

Chester in to 2016 series Bunnicula is a Siamese cat and Squeak from Pound Puppies is also one. Can these be on this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18D:4700:7640:3D23:8CFA:8890:429D (talk) 21:26, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Wichien-Maat

Wichien-Maat means "moon diamond", not gold diamond as the article stated. You can check yourself by searching for Wichien-Maat on Google for the definition and also the Wikipedia page- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_(cat) lists Wichien-Maat meaning Moon Diamond as well.--99.177.250.140 (talk) 01:24, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Ragdolls?

I'm pretty sure Ragdolls should be added to the list of breeds derived from Siamese. Most of them have some form of colorpoint coats. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.54.250.11 (talk) 19:15, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Mislabeling of other breeds as Siamese

There are several pictures of cats currently on the page, which are labeled as Siamese, but are actually breeds derived from Siamese. Most are Tonkinese. Jkhamlin (talk) 19:28, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Hybrid between Shorthair and Siamese

I wonder what a hybrid between a domestic shorthair and a siamese cat would be? --68.103.24.102 (talk) 02:41, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Its listed in the article. I have one of these cats they have regular siamese colors and coat patterns mixed with a tabby pattern.

"Colorpoint Shorthair – a Siamese-type cat registered in CFA with pointed coat colours aside from the traditional CFA Siamese coat colours; originally developed by crosses with other shorthair cats. Considered part of the Siamese breed in most cat associations, but considered a separate breed in CFA and WCF. Variations can include lynx points and tortie points." Williamep4 (talk) 16:47, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Origin of the breed

The origin of the Siamese cat breed is actually from Siam, not Thailand. This should be corrected. HybridBiology (talk) 23:49, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

"Siam" is an older name for the country now known as "Thailand". See Siam. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:19, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Okay, just looked at the Siam article. An older name for Thailand is Siam? I... couldn't believe that. --Security Shield (talk) 01:36, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Siam?

I don't understand the intent behind this edit of the page. Siam is an older name for Thailand. See Siam. --198.248.159.6 (talk) 13:54, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

images to compare

I think it's helpful to put some images side by side to compare. Does anyone want to help move the gallery to the appearance section and find images to compare sub-breeds and other traits of interest? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AI or not AI (talk • contribs) 18:15, 12 May 2012‎ (UTC)

"Meezer"

The nickname "meezer" is mentioned twice, both attributing the nickname to their vocal nature. The first mention of this nickname has no citation, and the second mention cites a book.

I find it hard to believe that the nickname doesn't come from the second syllable of the word "Siamese", which sounds like "meez". Their vocal nature, and sounding like they're saying "mee" and "meez", is probably a reason why the nickname fits, but I doubt it's the origin of it.

The second mention cites a book that I haven't seen. The first mention, in the opening paragraph, seems like it needs a citation. I don't think I should just copy the book citation onto the first mention, because I haven't seen the book. I'm placing a "citation needed" there instead, but I don't think the book citation should simply be copied there-- it'd be ideal if someone could find another source stating where the nickname comes from to back up (or contradict) the book citation. That's assuming anyone else agrees with me and isn't buying the simple "it's from their talkative nature" explanation. M-1 (talk) 06:31, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

My family raised purebred Siamese from the 70s on, and I have never heard that theory about the origin of "meezer." Furthermore, I can't find a single reference to that book that isn't a reprint or translation of this article. Pretty clearly BS of some kind- trying to advertise the book? Nonmouse Nonmouse (talk) 01:07, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

I found a preview here. Doing a date range search on google for meezer in association with Siamese yields results from before the book was published, and even before this article existed.--Drat (Talk) 07:10, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

I found another reference from 2004 via Google Books. It's clear (I think) that the author, and Siamese Rescue Inc. to whom the author refers, describes the nickname 'Meezer' as in 'Siameezers':

Siamese Rescue started a little effort called the "Meezer Express" (Siameeezers). The recruited homes all over the country and now help forsaken, lost or surrendered Siamese and Siamese mixes all over America find new homes. (The older ones are called Meezer Geezers!)

--Canines in the Classroom: Raising Humane Children through Interactions with Animals (2004)

82.38.138.10 (talk) 22:22, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

"appearance"

The article states of the head: 'forming a perfect triangle from the tip of the nose to each tip of the ear' - what precisely is a 'perfect triangle'? Three points will always form a triangle, I fail to see what would qualify it as 'perfect'. Does it mean symmetrical? Equilateral? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.200.27.88 (talk) 01:06, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

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Lead image caption wrong

The lead image is not of a lilac-point it is a lilac tabby-point cat. Stripes are quite visible on the tail and, though faint, the tabby 'M' shape can be seen on the cat's forehead. Urselius (talk) 12:09, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

"Almond-shaped eyes"

One of the lead lines in the article describes Siamese cats as having "almond-shaped" eyes, which seems problematic on a few levels. The first is that this is fairly subjective; from my point of view, the eyes of this breed don't seem to have any casually-noticable shape difference from other cat breeds. The second, of course, is that "almond-shaped" is a loaded descriptor often applied to Asian people and characters as a euphemistic replacement for "slanty-eyed," and it's a descriptor with no real basis in reality. (See: https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/16/219402847/-almond-shaped-eyes-remarkably-exotic-yet-too-foreign). It's hard not to read this as a conflation of an Asian cat with an Asian person, as if the two would share physical traits for some reason, and it's not hard to make the leap that someone who wrote this may have taken inspiration from the cat's portrayal in popular media, such as the very racist depiction in Lady and the Tramp.

My preference would be to just delete this descriptor entirely and replace it with a sourced one. For now, I've replaced it with a Citation Needed tag.

Zegota (talk)

Description of Burmese, Contradiction

I removed the third sentence as it contradicts the second. If anyone has any information it can be clarified or it can be left as is.

1. Burmese is a breed of domesticated cats descended from a specific cat, Wong Mau, who was found in Burma in 1930 by Joseph Cheesman Thompson. 2. She was brought to San Francisco, where she was bred with Siamese. 3. While technically not derived from Siamese, the breed was considered a form of Siamese for many years, leading to crossbreeding. (removed portion) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamep4 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Which version of English?

This article seems to use both "color" (ie US English) and "colour" (UK English) frequently. There is no template telling us which variant of English to use, but the original version of the article uses "Colour", several times, so I believe that this article should be in British English and will change the spellings accordingly.

Background: I am not a cat-lover - though they are better than dogs - and I don't usually edit in this area, but my other half is seriously stuck on today's "Redactle" puzzle, even though he's got the second word of the title hours ago and just can't think what how to fill the blank in "XXXXXXX cat"! But he pointed out that both "color" and "colour" are in the article, making life even more difficult. I solved it in 93, with guess 92 being "cat" and 93 "siamese", but he's not got there yet after a couple of hundred goes, with "cat" some time back.

I don't know whether there are any special editing conventions covered by WikiProject Cats, but inconsistency is a Bad Thing in articles and I'm going to go for it. If there's some good reason to leave it as is, or to use US English, someone can always revert me. (And if you haven't tried Redactle I can thoroughly recommend it as an intriguing daily puzzle). PamD 14:11, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Done. I should perhaps have waited a couple of hours until this was no longer the current target of the puzzle, as it's quite discombobulating when it changes while you're solving it, but these are only very minor changes. I left Colorpoint Shorthair as it's a breed name, but changed Bicolor cat (piped it, rather than use the redirect), as it's not a specific breed but a description, comes under "Felinology" in the template, so seemed appropriate to use the standard variant of English. PamD 14:31, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

I note that the article uses DMY dates, so is already angled towards British usage. PamD 14:34, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

The "colour" spelling overwhelmingly dominates, so I think this should probably normali[s|z]e to the British/Commonwealth spelling. I see a couple of cases of -ize that would need to change to -ise to conform.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:33, 11 October 2023 (UTC)