Talk:The King's Singers

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Name of article[edit]

There are several King's Colleges. Which one should the link point to? --Pt 11:25, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

King's College, Cambridge, according to the external link. Done. --Paul A 02:14, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Shouldn't the article be renamed to King's Singers? --Pt 11:28, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Yes. Done. --Paul A 02:03, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)


Use of instruments[edit]

Sorry if my posting does not follow wikipedia guidlines exactly (I'm new to posting and editing) but the article says that they only perform acapella but have some acconpaniment in their recordings, I have seen then perform with a some famous pianist as accompaniment at the Kennedy Center. I let someone change this if they wan't. Someone should really expand this. They are an excellent group. --Mark 1:50, 06 April 2006 (EST)

Don't fall all over each other trying to fix it or anything. I'm adding "almost" to make "almost exclusively a cappella" (boy, that was hard). Mlibby 03:06, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. They are excellent. I did an expansion tonight. I hope you like it. Ksfan 18:29, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Added "Use of instruments" heading to this thread. Notwithstanding our painstakenly-created solution to the "exclusively" problem, the sentence in question is still largely incorrect or misleading, because their studio recordings (and live recordings and whatever other kind of recordings you might imagine) sometimes make use of gobs of instruments (like, a whole orchestra, even... zowie!). They're very eclectic and they've been around for a long time, so you can find all kinds of different setups on their recordings.

So the point of this sentence needs to be re-thought. It's not correct in what it's specifically saying, so what, instead, is it trying to accomplish? To give a better feel for their "a cappella fraction" rating? To give an idea of what types of music to expect on their recordings? I'm not trying to poo-poo the point, because these are both potentially worthwhile topics; it's just going to take more than two sentences to cover it. One solution would be to go ahead and start a "discography" section and to include comments about the voicing / "instrumentalization" on each album (a very worthy goal); then the reader will see the eclecticism for themselves. Spending the time to compile the discography (sorry, I don't have the time) would also give the lucky editor plenty of opportunity to come up with the perfect words of how to describe KS's eclecticism etc.

Any takers? Mlibby 03:28, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added a partial discography that I hope people will add too. I think that it shows that they, in fact, often collaborate with instrumentalists on recordings. Kp_kyak 22:32, 24 August 2006 (CDT)

I think it would be worth mentioning the scores of a number of their arrangements have been published - a search of King's Singers at www.halleonard.com brings up 73 publications, mostly individual scores but also several compilations. Howard Clark (talk) 12:08, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tenebrae[edit]

In recent days I have, twice, reverted needless changes concerning Nigel Short and Tenebrae, including what seems to be a deliberate misspelling. For the record:

  • Tenebrae is a professional choir;
  • Its website is www.tenebrae-choir.com (click the link to see!)
  • It is spelt "Tenebrae".

What is going on, pray tell? It looks like someone here might have issues with Tenebrae? ElectricRay 11:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Latest edit[edit]

I feel confident that user Montiolivetti acted in good faith but the fact remains that practically everything added was way too fan-site sounding. Please try to adhere to WP's standards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NPOV) when adding material. Thanks! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 04:02, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Post[edit]

WSpencer11 and others,

Many apologies - my post was indeed in good faith and I hope my amendments are satisfactory. It's difficult when dealing with such a group to remain objective, but on second reading this morning I clearly saw the contentious passages. I have been fortunate to hear the KS on many occasions and in many different guises, and have also interviewed them on occasion. I believe that everything I have updated can now be verified, and my only interest is in providing a wider range of information for anyone who wants to know more about the group, including its history, influences, repertoire, etc. and to assure the public that they are still going strong (hence facts about current touring territories and UK statistics). There were also clear errors (number of members etc) that needed correcting and various commissioned composers that were missing.

I was in two minds as to whether or not to delete the passage concerning the other famous groups they have taught, but I feel it is important that readers know the extent to which the KS have influenced these others, so that keen listeners can look out for similarities in their styles, performances etc. In particular Amarcord, a fine German group, have simply copied many elements of their performance (from their programming right down to the way they position their music stands and the way they hold their hands whilst singing) on the KS, and it's important that people have this knowledge rather than assuming they are a "new voice," notwithstanding their evident proficiency.

Montiolivetti 00:02, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Simon Carrington[edit]

I believe the timeline in regards to Simon Carrington is incorrect. He left TKS in 1994 to begin a teaching career with the University of Kansas. Perhaps we can link to his website, www.SimonCarrington.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.67.131.215 (talk) 20:44, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This may be a bit trivial, but I think there was a 'switcheroo' between the first and second baritones around '94 or '95. Simon C consistently sang 2nd baritone, as did Gabriel C, but their careers with KS were not contiguous. This could be clarified in the template if anyone has the details? Amilnerwhite (talk) 09:31, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Phillip Lawson started as second baritone when he joined the group, but switched to first baritone in 1996 and Gabriel Crouch joined as second baritone. 163.120.70.10 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:49, 27 January 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Length[edit]

The piece is long not just because of the longevity of the group, but also because it is verbose and repetitive, and at times simply too detailed. For instance why mention the use of instruments in particular concerts when the group has frequently performed with instruments and with orchestras? Howard Clark (talk) 12:08, 20 December 2009 (UTC) Montiolivetti (talk) 21:35, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Name and template[edit]

Can somebody change it back to The King's Singers, please? That is the correct name of the group according to their website and press releases. Also, I'm not sure how to change the Members table but the part-names are wrong: it should read countertenor 1, countertenor 2, tenor, baritone 1, baritone 2 and bass. Again, that's how the group style themselves on their website and in press releasesMontiolivetti (talk) 21:35, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

With respect to the template, you are right and that is how I made the template. I didn't notice when it was changed and I have now reverted that change. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 22:46, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Discography[edit]

The Discography should include all discs they produced, not just the currently available ones. Among the ones that are missing:

"Believe in Music": there appear to be at least two albums by that name, one with 14 tracks and one with 19 tracks. Presumably one is an English release and one an American, or something like that. Here are two references: 19 track version: http://www.kingssingers.com/p//believe-in-music/os9.html 14 track version: http://www.amazon.com/Believe-Music-Leonard-Bernstein/dp/B000002RPR

"Spirit Voices" is also missing.

"This is the King's Singers" is also missing Johncolton (talk) 04:00, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The discography section is mostly limited to the "second generation" of

the group, while the period 1965-1990 is missing. That is understandable because of the history of computer development. But now, due to the existence of newspaper archives, could someone get to the older reviews of records of their First Generation.

I found easily one such review, of their amazing history of the madrigal CD: http://www.classical.net/music/recs/reviews/e/emi85714a.php רסטיניאק (talk) 04:38, 25 May 2013 (UTC)רסטיניאק[reply]

Date founded: 1968, or 1965?[edit]

The lead sentence in the article cites 1968 as the date the group was founded, but the (wonderful!) membership chart starts at 1965. Which is it? If the date depends on how you define 'founded', then this should be mentioned. -- Dan Griscom (talk) 14:20, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Patrick Dunachie[edit]

I see that the name of Patrick Dunachie, who will replace the retiring David Hurley in September, has been added to the timeline, but nowhere else on the page. This news seems noteworthy enough, so I would like to add a sentence about Dunachie at the end of the "History" section as well. Any objections?Kerdooskis (talk) 22:33, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please do so, that's how Wikipedia works. :-) And please add a reference to a source. YewBowman (talk) 08:51, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. :) It's done. I guess the info I just added will be outdated come September, so I'll make a note to myself to update the page then (if nobody else has). Cheers.Kerdooskis (talk) 16:10, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Request for Comment: New WikiProject for A Cappella-related articles[edit]

Hi there! To any and all interested: I've proposed a WikiProject dedicated to a cappella. This would be a group of editors interested in improving the quality of articles related to a cappella. If you're passionate about a cappella—ranging from the Pentatonix to groups like the King's Singers, or perhaps pop culture representations like Pitch Perfect and The Sing-Off—please check out the proposal and share your thoughts!

Here's a link to the proposal for WikiProject A Cappella.

If you could see yourself contributing to an article related to a cappella (like this one), please consider joining!

—Shrinkydinks (talk) 20:11, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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