Talk:Flag of Kurdistan

Designers of this Flag

Although the elements of this flag are historic and have been around for a long time, in its modern measurements, description and choice of the shades of colors, number of sun rays and the literature that goes with it, two persons are to be solely credited: Dr. Mehrdad M. R. Izady for writing the description, choosing the shades, and numbering the rays of the sun disk. He is the historian and the folklorist. Then is Dr. Eliasi, who as an engineer, provided the measurements and proportions of the flag, ascertained the international color codes, and provided the technical aspects of the flag. This was all done on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the Kurdish Republic of Mahabad. No other person was involved. So, these two scholars ought to be lauded for their efforts to revive and standardize the "Sunny Flag", although no Kurd seem to be concerned about this. In America, Betsy Ross is routinely celebrated for having tailored the first American flag. Why the Kurds are so forgetful? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.244.22.233 (talk) 17:28, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

This is the first time I've heard of them. Do you have a source for this? ~ Zirguezi 23:08, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Status

It is not a country how can it be a national flag? In 1946 there was a kurdish state? thats news to me. --Cat out 23:05, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

This is really serious. Wikipedia should not become a medium for deliberately and intentionally spreading falsehoods which only serve certain minority political groups among the Kurds. The entire idea of this flag is nonsense. It is not recognized anywhere in the world, nor has it any legal status. It is a transformation of the Iranian flag (flipped upside down and the lion removed from from before the sun). This is more than obvious. This page absolutely has no place whatsoever on a neutral wiki server. -- unsigned comment left by 130.161.44.115

Just because it's a matter of discussion doesn't mean it should not be on Wikipedia. Furthermore, a flag doesn't have to have legal status to be interesting, notable, or worthy of an article; for example, a number of French territories have unofficial flags with no legal status whatsoever, yet they're still on Wikipedia. And thirdly, if you want to discuss changes to this article, I'd suggest you get a user account. — ナイトスタリオン _ㇳ–ㇰ — 10:09, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

How people can say that the lands mentioned are the homeland of Kurds. All of the mentioned region was defended with the blood of Turkish soldiers. I have to defend my 10,000 years of history so if you will only consider the data entered by Kurd here, it will be hard to think about the neutral status of Wikipedia. When they write about an imaginery indipendence war, you consider their data as valid but when I mention the reality that there were no legal region of Kurds or even not a single country in the history releated to Kurds, you consider my data as invalid. You have to explain me why you behave like this or I will see you as a supporter of terrorism. Deliogul 22:35, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Read my comment below. No one ever said Kurdistan is a country, so it's pointless to say that it isn't. —Khoikhoi 20:31, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Why there is a difference between the flag here and the flag in the article of Republic of Mahabad ? --Japan01 (talk) 15:21, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

August 2015- The flag is representative of a theorized state and is widely used in the region. It is also the flag of several Kurd military groups who defend the region. Whether you think Kurdistan is a country or not, it is politically relevant. The Taiwanese flag is controversial, but it has a wikipedia page. Settle down, the flag stays. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.119.208.252 (talk) 00:49, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Answer

Many non-state nations have flags of their own, Palestinians, for example. The Kurdish Republic at Mahabad carried two flags: the State flag (this one) and the government's flag, as did and still do many countries around the world. There is nothing unusual about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:C686:B00:223:32FF:FE9A:1153 (talk) 18:20, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

from Vfd

On 19 Feb 2005, this article was nominated for deletion. The result was keep. See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Flag of Kurdistan for a record of the discussion.

Is this really a stub?

Should the stub be removed from this page?

I don't think three sentences makes an article. The stub message is there to encourage people to expand the article.Iota 18:49, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

POV

Removing POV tag. The main objection seems to be that it exists; it might be a POV flag, but the article on the flag does not seem to be.--The Minister of War 05:57, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Kurdish Flag is not based on the Iranian flag

The Kurdish flag is similar to the flags of Hungary, Tajikistan, Ghana, Ethiopia, Bolivia and Iran. However, it isnot based on the Iranian one. (For a list these flags see [1]). The yellow sun in the center of the flag, is the distinct character of the Kurdish Flag, which cannot be found in other flags.Heja Helweda 06:01, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Banned

The distinctive red, yellow and green of the Kurdish flag is banned in Turkey, indeed at the height of the conflict in Batman, one of the largest towns in the Kurdish area had the amber light of the traffic lights removed as the red, amber and green was seen as symbolizing the Kurdish struggle! The Turkish flag however, was flying everywhere, some of the flags so big they covered the fronts of entire buildings. Also written everywhere above the streets, in very large letters was the slogan, ‘How happy is he who calls himself a Turk?’ - Maybe, but what about the Kurds?”

According to this report, the Kurdish flag is banned in Turkey. Is this the case? - FrancisTyers 19:53, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

I do think it is. I don't think the government of Turkey likes the idea of an independant Kurdish state.. I can't confirm that it is banned, but I definately don't believe it would be popular to be put it up over there! --Kash 22:57, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I for one am warry of the citation. Both sources are less than neutral. I do not believe the flag itself is banned. I however believe raising it is considered a "civil-disturbance" which is also inconclusive since flag is generaly raised during civil disturbances already in progress. --Cat out 16:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

It is banned, personal experience lol

It is in deed banned in Turkey. But also Iran and Syria —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.225.3.24 (talk) 23:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

To clear things up

I don't see anywhere in the article that it says "Kurdistan is a country". But nor is Palestine; and it has its own flag. All 50 states of US have their own flags, as do federal states in India, Brazil, Germany....... So what bothers this Turkish guy is the fact that a third of Turkey is Kurdish and fast increasing in proportions. Kurds are here to stay, as they were thousands of years before, anyone had heard of the Turk.

I don't know anyone who thinks it is, either. It's a geographic region, as well as a cultural one, which makes it a notable term. It's only a political region in Iraq, but not in Turkey, Syria, and Iran, and it shouldn't be made on on Wikipedia. However, adding "Kurdistan is not a country" is pointless. —Khoikhoi 22:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Flag of Antarctica has been around for a while I doubt this article is going anywhere.Geni 13:23, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Name and the 21 rays

The name of the flag should be included in this artigle Allay Rengín/Ala Rengîn (the colored banner). This name can be compared to the brittish and american flags, Union Jack and Stars and Stripes.

About the 21 rays, the number 21 is the holy number of the Yazdani religion(s). Namely Alevi, Yarsani and Yezidi/Yazidi. But the article only links to one of the named branches of the Yazdani religion.

Colors & Pattern

The article discusses the significance of the Sun, but it doesn't mention the colors and their positioning. This is odd, considering most of the other flags explain the significance of such things. I think that it should be added. It looks like Iran's, but with reverse order. An explanation is called for. The Behnam 03:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

They are similar. It may have some connections with Iranian flag [2], as both Kurds and Persians are related to eachother, themselves. The answer of this question may be found in Xoybun documents. Asoyrun 21:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

The colors stand for Red: The blood and sacrifice of the Kurdish people. White: Peace. Green: Nature (which I guess must mostly refer to the mountains, but still nature). I don't think there is a direct linkt between the kurdish flag and the iranian. it could today perhaps be considered a pan-aryan coloring as the red,green and black of the pan-arabian colors. but this is i believe a later construction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.225.3.24 (talk) 22:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

The other flag

The flag with the star-like sun [3] has long been favored and encouraged by Kurdish scholars, but Barzani does not allow to adopt it, saying the current flag of Kurdistan [4] is a historic flag for Kurdish movement:(

Even Mam Jalal has prefered it to the current flag! Henisk 04:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

What scholars do you reffer to? The "star-like sun" flag is the former flag of Iraq, it has never been a flag for Kurdistan. The only link to the Kurds is the sun. I don't think the old Iraqi flag is more popular than the current Alla Rengín in the kurdish publics mind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.225.3.24 (talk) 22:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

The 1959-1963 flag of Iraq is favored with respect to the 1963-2008 flags of Iraq... AnonMoos (talk) 23:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes the 1959-1963 flag of Iraq is favoured before the 1963-2008 flag of Iraq, not as a Kurdish flag but as the flag of the republic of Iraq. Allay Rengín is still the most popular flag and most extensively used and generally accepted by the Kurds. It would also be quite strange to use the 1959-1963 flag of Iraq as it still carries the pan-arabic colours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.233.227.69 (talk) 00:12, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Flag of KURDSTAN, NOT "Kurdish flag"

It's wrong to name the Kurdistani flag as "Kurdish flag". It is the flag of KURDISTAN, and the flag of the region of KURDISTAN in Iraq and also for the major Kurdistan (which is not independent yet). So the flag of Kurdistan (not the "Kurdish flag") refers to the geographic region of KURDISTAN which is populated by Kurds (muslims [shia/sunni], yezidi Kurds, shabak Kurds, Kakayi Kurds),and also populated by other ethnic and religious groups, such as Turkmens, Syrianics/Keldans/Assyrians/armenians, even Arabs/Turks/persian. So the flag is called "The flag of KURDISTAN", NOT "The Kurdish flag", although the name "kurdish flag" refers to an ethnic name which is far from the reality. In the Constitution of Kurdistan Regional Government (which is on its way), it is determined that the Kurdistan Region (even greater Kurdistan)is an GEOGRAPHIC region, NOT ethnic region. That is that this flag is called The Flag of KURDISTAN, NOT "The Kurdish flag". The enemies of Kurdistan who have control of other parts of Kurdistan want to name the flag of Kurdistan as "kurdish flag", to try to wipe the rich history of Kurdistan which exists in more than 4000 years, from the Medes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.151.43.53 (talk) 15:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Dünya üzerinde Kürdistan diye bi ülke yoktur. O yüzden bu bayrağın adı Kürdistan bayrağı değil. Kürtlerin bayrağıdır. (Bir TÜRK) There isn't a country which name is Kurdistan in the World. So this flag's name isn't Kurdistan Flag. It is Kurdish flag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.174.16.209 (talk) 16:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

flags of Turkish Kurdistan?

I'm seeing some different flags in news coverage of political issues regarding Turkish Kurdistan, but I am unable to find reference on them. If anyone knows more about these, should it be added here, or possibly in a separate article? http://img.timeinc.net/time/quotes/2009/05/0526_akkaya.jpg http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2007-w44/img.49801_t.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.245.181 (talk) 15:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

See http://www.crwflags.com/FOTW/FLAGS/krd%7Dpkk.html (scroll down to "Variant 4") and http://www.crwflags.com/FOTW/FLAGS/krd-kp.html (scroll down to Related (?) flags"). AnonMoos (talk) 18:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

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Some flags

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/krd_slvd.html is not reliable source. For example, We know that normal Kurdish flags were used in the Republic of Ararat. We need other sources. Probably we must remove some flags from Commons. Takabeg (talk) 07:21, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

How is it not a reliable source? It might not get everything right but it does list it's own sources for the flag. I think it's pretty reliable. ~ Zirguezi 16:33, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Movement for Change

The "flag" of the Movement for Change keeps getting added to the article. I don't think it belongs here. First of it's not a flag, it's a logo. The logo might get used on flags a lot but that doesn't make it an official flag. 2nd This flag has no resemblance or reference tot the Kurdish flag other than being Kurdish. All the other flags use at least one of the three Kurdish colours and usually have a logo in the middle which is an obvious reference to the sun in the Kurdish flag. If we started listing every single flag here just because they are Kurdish we might as well list the entire Category:Kurdish flags here which is not something we want. We should only list flags that are inspired or have an obvious reference to the Kurdish flag. ~ Zirguezi 07:02, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

The title says "Kurdish political flags". The Gorran flag is no more or less of a "logo" than the PUK or DTP flags - only you seem to not be a big fan of the color blue. I don't know where you're writing from, but here in Kurdistan, the Gorran flag is immediately recognizable as a "Kurdish political flag". Maybe if you want to alter to title to something like "Flags influenced by the Kurdish nationalist colors", then you would have a case. 109.127.86.5 (talk) 11:26, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

The title of the paragraph is indeed Kurdish Political Flags but the paragraph itself is located on the page of the flag of Kurdistan and as such has to be related to flag of Kurdistan. The other flags are related to the flag of Kurdistan because they all use at least one of the colours(Red, Yellow or Green) and they all have a round/circle shaped logo/symbol which is an obvious reference to the sun on the Kurdish flag. The Movement for Change flag doesn't use one of the 3 colours, it doesn't have a round/circle logo/symbol. It might be a political flag but there here is zero reference to the flag being inspired or related to the flag of Kurdistan. As such I don't think it should be listed here. About the DTP "flag" it also looks more like a logo than a flag and I'd have removed it had it not been for the colours and logo. ~ Zirguezi 23:05, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Kurdish political flags

I think we'd better remove the section: Kurdish Political Flags. Because they are irrelevant to Alaya Kurdistanê. Regards. Takabeg (talk) 11:38, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I agree some of the flags look really similar and I doubt anyone looking for info on the flag of Kurdistan would be interested in flags of Kurdish political parties and if they are they can just follow the link to Commons. ~ Zirguezi 23:10, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

There doesn't seem to be any objection so I removed the section. ~ Zirguezi 14:39, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

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Split

Propose to split this article to Flag of Iraqi Kurdistan and Flag of Syrian Kurdistan. The reasoning is emergence of separate entity of Syrian Kurdistan in 2012, which urges us to specify whom the flag belongs to.GreyShark (dibra) 19:00, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

There isn't a single quotable reference on which this article is based, and you are suggesting a split? If we remove the unreferenced stuff, there is nothing left to split. This is a flag which has supposedly been in use for 100 years representing 30 million people, and we haven't been able to come up with one single measly reference about it other than random google results? --dab (𒁳) 13:50, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

@Greyshark09: We've had a discussion about whether this flag is the "flag of all Kurds". See Talk:Kurds/Archive_15#Flag_of_Iraqi_Kurdistan_is_not_the_flag_of_all_Kurdish_groups. I don't see a reason why this should change now.

@Dbachmann :I've added a lot of sources to this article now. Please note that a Google book/scholar search is a legitimate source and much more reliable than "random google results" ~ Zirguezi 23:01, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Article cleanup

This article was very cluttered and filled with double info and unsourced claims. I've attempted to make it a bit better.

• I've moved several blocks of text and put them under headings History and Symbolism
• I've removed the large amounts of text in the infobox. If people want more info they can read the article.
• I've added several sources to back up claims made in this article. We now have more than enough sources to establish the existence and use of this flag. ~ Zirguezi 22:59, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

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@Ahmedo Semsurî:, There is not a unique flag for Kurdish areas

There is not a uique flag for Kurdish areas and the current name should be changed to the "Flags used by Kurds" instead. In Turkish and Syrian Kurdish areas, the flag is completely different from the introduced flag. The intrdced flag is for Iraqi Kurdistan region. Please bring your reasoning if you do not agree. SHADEGAN (talk) 15:14, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source for your claim? Please distinguish the Kurdish flag from party flags. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 15:17, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

@Ahmedo Semsurî:,There is not a uique flag for Kurdish areas and the current name should be changed to the "Flags used by Kurds" instead. In Turkish and Syrian Kurdish areas, the flag is completely different from the introduced flag. The introdced flag is for Iraqi Kurdistan region. Please bring your reasoning if you do not agree and stop reverting baselesslySHADEGAN (talk) 15:21, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

source for that claim? --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 15:22, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

@El C: This is what I am dealing with. Just baseless claims for his POV-push. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 15:27, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

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I think you should both emphasize on presenting what constitutes scholarly and mainstream consensus regarding this. El_C 16:09, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello all. Please note that this issue has been brought up before and also resolved at here, where reliable sources are given which have since been added to this article. You are welcome to open up the discussion again if you think you have new information to add, but please provide reliable sources so this doesn't turn into a he said/she said competition. ~ Zirguezi 17:43, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

@Ahmedo Semsurî:, As an Iranic people, the section [[5]] is based on similar colours in areas with dominant Iranic culture and origin. The content theme is about this issue, please let it be in it's contents.SHADEGAN (talk) 03:00, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

@Shadegan: You are nothing but disruptive. Why did you remove the information about the Tev-Dem flag and the chronology section[6] --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 09:04, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Moves

No moves without a proper move request, please. I have moved the page back to the status quo ante (procedural) and move protected it just to discourage even the temptation of a move war. Please go through the proper channels if you wish to see this article retitled — certainly, using the move as an instrument in an ongoing edit conflict is inappropriate. El_C 16:24, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

I agree. I'd like to request all users to discuss their disputes here before resorting to editing. Most of the issues brought up in the recent 'edit wars' have been discussed at length on this talkpage. Users that have new information regarding these issues are encouraged to open up a new section here. I'd like to advise everyone to read this previouos discussion too. ~ Zirguezi 17:33, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 1 June 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No move. Cúchullain ^t/c 19:06, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

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Flag of Kurdistan → Flags used by Kurds – The current name is very ambiguous and it is not pervasive. There are different flags used in sveral part of nowaday Kurdish-inhabited areas (Iraqi Kurdistan, Syrian Kurdistan, Turkish Kurdistan etc. Due to nationalism background the main content of the paper is focused on the flag used by Iraqi Kurdistan region. It is completely evident that the name is not logic.We have a live page in wikipefia Rojava, please see these links too [7][8][9] and National symbols of the Kurds SHADEGAN (talk) 18:08, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

I Support the idea of moving the article to Flag of Iraqi Kurdistan and write a new article about Flags used by Kurds, Kurdish Flags or Flags used by Kurdish states... maybe we can find a name for the new article together. I would also like to invite spoongedragon to the discussion. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 18:35, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. I really wish you would discuss this in the two open sections above before starting a request to move.

1. I disagree with the name being 'ambiguous'. I think it is very clear and users who would like to know more about Kurdistan can simply click the blue link to get a better understanding. Academic sources also seem to agree on the 'Flag of Kurdistan' and what it represents. See:

• The Kurdish flag has particular significance for this stateless nation. It was first hoisted to mark an independent Kurdistan(...) Since then, this red, white and green banner has been a rallying sign for all Kurds and a symbol of Kurdish national identity. ~ Dr Alex Danilovich[Danilovich, Alex (2016). Iraqi Federalism and the Kurds: Learning to Live Together. Routledge. p. 101. ISBN 9781317112938. Retrieved 16 November 2016.]
• The flag for the Kurds represents their nationality and it functions as an important symbol for Kurdistanyati ~ Mahir A. Aziz [Aziz, Mahir (2014). The Kurds of Iraq: Nationalism and Identity in Iraqi Kurdistan. I.B.Tauris. p. 130. ISBN 9781784532734. Retrieved 16 November 2016.]
• You can call this place Kurdistan (…) only the Kurdistan flag flies ~ Iraq : briefings and hearing
• and the Peshmarga general gave Davidson a Kurdistan flag ~ Charles M. Grist

2. You have not give a source to backup your claim. You've linked to several pages and articles that show what I presume to be be Syrian Kurds using the flag of Rojava. However this does not backup your claim as nowhere is it claimed that flag of Rojava is suppose to be used IN THE PLACE of the flag of Kurdistan. It is perfectly possible for Rojava to use a flag for Syrian Kurdistan, while also using the flag of Kurdistan for the whole of the Kurdistan region. These two flags are not mutually exclusive. It is on par with England using the Flag of England while also flying the Union Jack.

3. Iraqi Kurdistan using this flag does not invalidate the argument that it represents or is used by all Kurds.

4. If you still think you have a point here and can back it up you are welcome to create a 'Disputed' section on this article, but you need sources for this. In either case, moving this article solves nothing.

5. If you think this article is not written from a NPOV you are welcome to change it, as long as you can give sources to backup your claims. This is also not solved by moving the article.

~ Zirguezi 18:37, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

• Support, I think it is better for the content of the page. There are to many flags used by Kurds. — Coron Arol (talk) 23:13, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Source for your claim? --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 00:20, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Kurdistan as a official country does not exist. Only the autonomous region called „Kurdistan Regional Government“ (KRG) or simply „Iraqi Kurdistan“ in northern Iraq uses this flag officially. The other Kurds in Turkey, Iran and Syria don’t uses this flag because it is forbidden in this countries. There are official flags of the countries Turkey, Iran and Syria. The page should be named „Flag of Iraqi Kurdistan“ or „Flag of the Kurdistan Regional Government in Iraq“ or it should be moved to „Flags used by Kurds“. Only Kurdish Nationalists want this flag to use in other countries which are not officially part of Kurdistan because Kurdistan is a term used by Kurds to call their historically settlement areas and not a official country. — Coron Arol (talk) 01:41, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Again please provide a source for these claims. The arguments you have given have already been discussed. Iraqi Kurdistan using this flag does not mean that is does not represent Kurds from outside that region. The academic sources provided make no distinction between an Iraqi Kurdistan flag and a Kurdistan Flag. They recognize it as "The flag of Kurdistan" "for all Kurds". The flag itself predates the Autonomous Iraqi Kurdistan. The argument that it is not an official flag of Syrian/Iranian/Turkish Kurdistan is valid because 1. The flag is banned in those countries so obviously you'll see it being used less and 2. Those countries don't have autonomous regions that can declare this flag to be 'official'. But just because there is no official declaration from an autonomous body claiming this flag to be their flag does not mean that is does not represent all Kurds or is called the flag of Kurdistan. ~ Zirguezi 09:04, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Just seen your posts. And all about the same Kurdish content as Ahmedo Semsuri. And then you answer me after I answered Ahmedo. How should we know that you are not using two accounts here? — Coron Arol (talk) 10:14, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - The flag was adopted as the official flag of Kurdistan in 1946. A source claiming it isn't would be great. [10][11] --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 00:20, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

(Comment)Well Rudaw is usually not a great source but here I have one which at least we can read online. And after some research I found it was rather an informative article. So here an article from Rudaw about the History of the current Flag that according to this article only in 1999 was adopted as the official Flag. The Flag from 1927 was a different Flag and for a state with a different name ([[Republic of Ararat]) and the flag of 1946 looked also different and was also for a state of a different Name (Republic of Mahabad). But if other available sources show Ahmedo Semsuri is right, and the current flag of Iraqi Kurdistan was also the Flag of the Republic of Mahabad we should also change the flags in the Article about the republic of Mahabad.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 06:35, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

There is not an internationally accepted Kurdistan state and official identity. In spite of different used flags like Rojava flag and Iraqi Kurdistan region flag, the page has introduced a flag for all Kurdish areas in different countries. This is completely a modeof PROPAGANDA to express independent wishes and desires of some groups. Desires and wishes must not oveshadow the sciebntific databases.SHADEGAN (talk) 10:50, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Only sovereign states can have official flags? Do you have a source for that? --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 10:57, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

I've also found this[12] which clearly shows on the books that flag been used outside of Iraq as the official flag of Kurdistan. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 10:57, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

(@Paradise Chronicle)That is one news outlet (and not a reliable one at that) vs all the academic sources that have been provided here. I don't see the arguments you have provided back in the source. The only reference to adaptation is "The parliament of the the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) adopted this to be the official and stadard presentation of the flag in all aspects in 1999." As discussed above: Iraqi Kurdistan using this flag does not invalidate the argument that it represents or is used by all Kurds. In fact the source you have provided claims the opposite: "Alaya Rengin, or “The Colorful Flag” with a sun shining into bands of red, white and green was first used by Kurds in Turkey in the 1920s, he explained, referencing the flag used by the Republic of Ararat, led by the Xoybuns in their rebellion." i.e. this flag was used by Kurds in Turkey, then standardized in 1999.

Also the source link to another source that also confirms that this flag is in fact the flag of Kurdistan: http://kurdistanica.com/flag-of-kurdistan/ : "Following these historic background, the National Flag is widely adopted in Kurdistan and has been set aloft by various Kurdish movements and entities in all sectors of the land." and "The flag was aloft when Dersim was immolated in 1938". So at best we have a new fact to add to this article. ~ Zirguezi 19:39, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

• Move to "Kurdish flag" for consistency with other ethnic flags, Assyrian flag, Aramean-Syriac flag, Métis flag, Pan-African flag, Coptic flag, et cetera. I would also propose having a separate page for the flags of the Kurdistan Region of Iraq/Kurdistan Regional Government, though there may not be enough information for an independent article. -Thespündragon 16:48, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

1. I can't speak for the other flags but I don't see how they are related to this flag.

2. We have already established that this flag is known as the Flag of Kurdistan. Ignoring all the academic sources and changing it's name for the sake of consistency would be nonsensical. Per WP:NCUE: The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources.

3. The fact that we would need an article about Kurdish Flag and Flag of Iraqi Kurdistan, which would both feature the same flag kinda proves the point that this flag is in fact the Flag of Kurdistan and splitting it up will not solve anything. For example we don't change Flag of United States to Stars and Stripes flag just because Flag of the United Kingdom is also known as Union Jack. Rather we use their names as used in reliable literature ~ Zirguezi 19:39, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

I apologise, I did not take a good enough look at our sources. I am changing my opinion to Oppose move, per reasons said above. -Thespündragon 23:08, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Well I think there has been a misunderstanding. I do very much agree with a lot of what Zirguezi wrote. Yes it is called colorful flag, but the rays of the sun looked very different in the different flags. Denmark and Switzerland both have a white cross on red ground, but the cross has different sizes, and the flag is of different states, the flags of Ecuador, Colombia and Venezuela have the same colors and without their coats of arms they look identical. These are three neighboring states where Spanish is spoken who have different coats of arms. The sun in the different flags depicted here also had different sizes and were raised in different times and in territories far apart. Calling the flag designed by Izady the sole flag of Kurdistan I do not see as correct. But We could call it the Flag of Iraqi Kurdistan. The part of the history of this flag could elaborate on Xoybun and Ararat and Mahabad. And an other article should be written for the other flags. Maybe Kurdish colors could be one? Look at PanSlavic Colors as a reverence. With the best regards. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 04:49, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

the Flag of Kurdistan (like many other flags) have changed over time. See Flag of Albania, Flag of Romania and Flag of Croatia. It would be misleading to call the current lag "Flag of Iraqi Kurdistan", since its used in all parts of Kurdistan (especially by nationalist parties)[13] --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 12:07, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

There is not a unique and pervaisive flag accepted by all Kurds and even separatist groups in different countries. Please have a look here for example [14][15][16]. Best SHADEGAN (talk) 14:51, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

None of those sources claim that the tricolor flag used in Rojava is the flag of Kurdistan. All the articles you have given talk about the Kurdish PYD party. The Aljazeera article you have given even say: Kurdish children flash the sign for victory next to a flag of the PYD during a demonstration against the exclusion of Syrian-Kurds from the Geneva talks in the Syrian city of Qamishli. The Frace24 article writes: A Kurdish man waves a large flag of the Democratic Union Party (PYD). It is a party flag and you know that. --Ahmedo Semsurî (talk) 15:31, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Also, here are some examples of Kurdish national flags being used alongside PYD/TEVDEM political flags: [17] [18] -Thespündragon 02:13, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

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Contested deletion

This page should not be speedy deleted as pure vandalism or a blatant hoax, because there's reliable references explicitly stating that the 'the colorful flag' is the flag of KURDISTAN (as mentioned in the article). Now, no where on this article, nor elsewhere on Wikipedia will you find information that would indicate that Kurdistan is a sovereign state. Sovereignty is irrelevant and dozens of autonomous regions and even mere provinces have flags - flags that are ALSO seen as ethnic flags. Portbase has clearly not even bothered to check the references. Also, @Portbase: You have been very disruptive lately and most of your edits have been rightfully reverted. This is just a continuation and I hope admins will see your 'contributions'-history. --Semsurî (talk) 16:58, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Definitely DO NOT DELETE... AnonMoos (talk) 22:58, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

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