Talk:Stanisław Sosabowski

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Scapegoat[edit]

Can someone add some info that British generals made him a scapegoat for Market Garden failure. That info is in articles about the battle of Arnhem and Market Garden. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.7.19.179 (talk) 21:29, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Missing info?[edit]

Halibutt, nice work. Aren't their accounts that Sosabowski escaped from the germans after the fall of Poland?

Didn't Sosabowski land in France on or about D-Day? unsigned comment by an anonymous user

I don't think the 1st Independent Polish Parachute Brigade took part in Normandy. It and 1st Airborne were held in the UK while 6th Airborne were given the Airborne drops.

On the point of a neutral point of view, there is alot of ill feeling within the Airborne community both British, American and Polish about how some of the more able commanders were treated as scapegoats and that the blame for Market Garden should be placed squarely at Montgomery and Browning.

Regardless of not conforming to the neutral point of view policy, it remains an undeniable that Sosabowski was a very intelligent, courageous and skilful commander of men. Not only that but it is a fact that he was treated very badly after the war (as well as L.Col John Frost) in order to take the pressure off of the men who had really cocked up.

There is a line between altering an article to conform to a neutral point of view and altering an article to distort or hide the truth. If this article is changed in order to satisfy some modern PC idea of non-bias then we will have crossed that line. --Pudduh 13:09, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, no 1st Bde at Normandy. And Sosabowski's escape from German-held Poland is quite well-explained in the article. //Halibutt 15:31, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I noted that you failed to mention Gen. G.I. Thomas, he and sosabowski realy went at it during market garden

Any accusations against gen. Sosabowski were aimed on saving the "fame" of Montgomery even against the truth and at expense of anyone at hand. The Market-Garden was far above Monty's inelectual capacity, and Sosabowski only pointed out it's weeknesses. Monty, fully aware of shortages of military achievements, wanted to make final thrust, scoring at least 1 important victorious battle in his career in WW2. Monty's "victories" in Africa are third-rated achiements, against fifth-rated Axis units. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.94.37.184 (talk) 23:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- This is nonsense - Montgomery's victories in Africa were won against Rommel and the Afrika Korps, including 21st Panzer Division - one of Germany's best commanders and some of Germany's best units. You are allowing your personal prejudice about Monty to affect your judgement. Monty was insufferable and arrogant but his military abilities are unquestionable. Yes, he made a mistake at Arnhem - and admitted it - but Bradley and Patton made mistakes. Kentish 10 Apr 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.166.182.163 (talk) 09:08, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

General rank[edit]

Which rank did gen. Sosabowski received, and from whom? The article stated that on June 15, 1944, he was promoted to Brigadier General. Was it by Polish or British? Looking at other wikipedia sources, Brigadier General rank was not used in the British Army after 1928, instead they used Brigadier rank (not considered to be a General Officer rank by the British Army).

Also, Polish General brygady and UK Brigadier share the same OF-6 NATO ranks right now. It looks that US Brigadier General is equivalent to the previous two ranks. On the other hand, Polish General dywizji, UK Major General and US Major General are one level higher.

In Stanislaw Sosabowski, and Operation Market Garden both Brigadier General and Major General are being used for gen. Sosabowski. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.193.121.240 (talk) 22:52, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He was General brygady of Polish Army in West. It was/is the lowest "General" rank. Polish Wikipedia says, that in September 1943 than colonel Sosabowski was offered command of joint Polish-British parachute division (about 1000 polish soldiers and 11 000 british) with promotion to general rank, by Lt. Gen. Frederick Browning . Sosabowski refused but was promoted to General brygady in 1944. I believe, that use of Major General is a mistake caused by the fact that it was the lowest "General" rank in British Army, where the Polish equivalent General dywizji is a second "general" rank.

It had to be Polish, he commanded a Polish Unit, and his corresponding rank was used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rdclmn7 (talk • contribs) 17:40, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What aoubt the movie?[edit]

shouldn't there be an "in popular culture" tab mentioning gene hackman playing the general in the movie "a bridge too far"? also, i think he was mentioned in the microsoft computer game of the same name (recomended, btw). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.138.67.25 (talk) 02:47, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced ?[edit]

A paragraph about Sosabowski-Browning controversion has been removed as "unsourced". This whole article is unsourced as plenty other articles. Why this specific paragraph should be removed and not thousands of others?Xx236 (talk) 08:06, 4 October 2012 (UTC) The controversion is mentioned in Frederick Browning.Xx236 (talk) 08:12, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cornelius Ryan and the book; A Bridge Too far.[edit]

Cornelius Ryan was the author of the original book that inspired the movie. His book needs to be referred to as far as helping to flesh-out the General's participation. It also refers to Major Urquart's (not to be confused with the General)intel report that mentioned the presence of two SS Panzer division in Arnhem itself. His report was dismissed by Gen Browning and his staff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rdclmn7 (talk • contribs) 17:37, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The political position of Sosabowski[edit]

I haven't found a hint about the political position of Sosabowski anywhere, aren't there any hints about that. Poland was a dictatorship, under the name "Sanacja", what was his position to their politics? --Exodianecross (talk) 02:58, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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