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Asterisks?[edit]

The section on states that have full diplomatic relations with Taiwan/ROC has most of those states marked with an asterisk (*). This asterisk is never used for any kind of footnote or qualification that I can see. Why is it there? --71.183.40.220 (talk) 20:21, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits[edit]

I did a round of copy editing on the article. It was full of references to "Republic of China" and "People's Republic of China". The "ROC" has this policy, and the "PRC" has that policy, etc. I don't think any mainstream English-language source uses the terminology this way. When discussing the pre-1971 period, the terminology "Nationalist China" and "Red China" is sometimes used. For more recent times, there is "Taiwan", and there is "China", and no RS calls them anything else. So I have made appropriate revisions. Kauffner (talk) 12:22, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"ROC" should be used when referring to a government or legal entity[edit]

Though the term 'Taiwan' is sometimes used when referring to a government or legal entity on Taiwan, this is incorrect and doesn't belong in Wikipedia. Republic of China (ROC) is the official legal name, and should be used when referring to a government or legal entity. Check the official web page of ROC http://www.taiwan.gov.tw/mp.asp?mp=999 that it calls itself "Republic of China (Taiwan)". No government has recognized 'Taiwan' as a government. Wikipedia shouldn't be involved in creative usage of terms, or whether Taiwan is a state. Wikipedia should use official names, especially when it comes to diplomatic relations, which emphasizes formality.

'Taiwan' can be used to refer to a region.

I have made copy editing to reflect this usage, but it may be incomplete. Please help to make it more complete. Happyseeu (talk) 01:44, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This comes across as especially strange when it refers to countries "recognizing Taiwan" - when in fact they do no such thing; they simply recognize a different government of China than the one in Beijing. The difference here is more than semantic, given the ongoing disputes between pro-independence, pro-status-quo, and pro-unification elements in ROC-administered areas, and we should probably figure out a consensus on how to handle this. Kiralexis (talk) 05:21, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Two Chinas[edit]

The listing on this article and the one at Foreign relations of China, stating which countries recognise which China, are different, and both lack sources. The only reason why I'm mentioning this is because the information has been added to the UN-related articles for the Holy See, Marshall Islands, Trinidad and Tobago, Tuvalu, and Vanuatu. So please settle this before taking the info, and any possible edit-warring to other articles. Thank you. -- 10:20, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Copyedit in progress[edit]

Hello from the Guild of Copyeditors. :) I selected this article to work on during the September copyediting drive of the GOCE. I've just started, and so far have made only a few minor changes to the lede. I'll be working on it over the next several days, and will upload my edits in batches. I'm signing off for the night right now, but I'll be back tomorrow. Comments, pitchforks, and WP:TROUTs are welcome as I work. Livit⇑Eh?/What? 01:26, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

inconsistent number of states recognizing ROC[edit]

I've seen in this article different counts for the number of states recognizing the ROC from twenty-one to twenty-three. Can someone check up on this and make sure that the article is consistent with a verified current count. - Metal lunchbox (talk) 04:56, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Panama has switched recognition to the PRC as of 6/13/2017 Link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.24.81.136 (talk) 05:45, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Foreign Relations of Republic of China[edit]

There exists not such a article in English-wikipedia, not even redirect page? Is Taiwan Republic of China the name of the regime? What about the historical foreign relations of this regime? Jiangyu911 (talk) 08:18, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Statements about territories claimed by ROC[edit]

I removed a few statements that have been tagged as needing citations since 2010. I think 5 years is more than enough time for contentious statements to stay on Wikipedia with no one coming forward to cite support for them. If someone can identify appropriate sources for these statements, then of course they should be put back in. Benjamin Hurst (talk) 21:47, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Part of the text is potentially misleading.[edit]

" In 1952, Taiwan was ceded by Japan in the Treaty of San Francisco.".

This statement, without clarification, would be quite misleading to someone not well-informed on the subject. The departure of the Japanese from Korea and Taiwan ( and other places ), was a mandatory stipulation of Japan's "unconditional surrender" in August 1945. I'm not too sure who was in charge in 1946 (maybe the americans), but the "Nationalist" chinese goverment took actual control of Taiwan in 1947, a situation which caused a lot of violence with people already in Taiwan, who might have been pro-independence or pro-communist. Taiwan had never been a part of the Chinese Republic before that, as it was taken over by Japan before the 1911 revolution. There was further disruption after another million or so Nationalist chinese supporters went to Taiwan in 1949.

The "Treaty of San Fransisco", which finalised the war between Japan and the US and most of it's allies, was a formality.

As it currently reads, the less-well-informed reader might get the impression that Taiwan was part of Japan until 1952, which really isn't true.Lathamibird (talk) 06:43, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Double entry of Bahrain[edit]

Bahrain is listed twice in this document: the first as Entities with non-diplomatic representation in Taiwan, the second as Entities with no representation in Taiwan. I checked and Taiwan has non-diplomatic relations with Barhain, since there is a ROC Trade Mission in Manama (capital of Bahrain). Should Bahrain be removed from the second list? 118.171.64.69 (talk) 16:59, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Entities with non-diplomatic representation in Taiwan[edit]

Bolivia has a non-diplomatic representation in Taiwan, not listed here (search for: Representative Office of Bolivia in Taipei).

I didn't find anything regarding Sri Lanka, I guess they don't have any relation with ROC, but it is not listed. The same goes for South Sudan, no relations found. 118.171.64.69 (talk) 17:23, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Asian Bureau of Reporters without Border opened in Taipei[edit]

https://rsf.org/en/news/reporters-without-borders-rsf-opens-its-first-asia-bureau-taipei (101.138.140.70 (talk) 16:13, 8 April 2017 (UTC))[reply]

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San Francisco Treaty[edit]

Is it proper to say "Taiwan was ceded by Japan in the San Francisco Treaty?" Taiwan was claimed by the Republic of China in the Cairo Declaration. "It is their purpose that Japan shall be stripped of all the islands in the Pacific which she has seized or occupied since the beginning of the first World War in 1914, and that all the territories Japan has stolen from the Chinese, such as Manchuria, Formosa, and The Pescadores, shall be restored to the Republic of China." [1] So it is declared that Taiwan is a part of China since the Cairo Declaration is announced, instead of the San Francisco Treaty. Also, NEITHER PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA NOR REPUBLIC OF CHINA (that is, neither Mainland China or Taiwan) attend the conference where San Francisco Treaty was signed. Instead, both Mainland China and Taiwan declared negative comment on it in different levels. Iagen0509 (talk) 09:03, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.ndl.go.jp/constitution/e/shiryo/01/002_46/002_46tx.html
As far as I can see, no reliable sources have made such an interpretation so it is not proper to say that.
Regarding the Cairo Declaration, the other two participators, the UK and the US, regarded it as merely a wartime statement of intention and do not regard it as having binding force of law. Both participators do not agree that the declaration made Taiwan part of China after WWII. Although the ROC and the PRC criticized the San Fransisco Treaty, that does not affect the treaty's legality. --Matt Smith (talk) 09:51, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Matt Smith Both ROC and PRC did not recognize the treaty, and condemned it. Also, the ROC government has gained control of Taiwan and call it "liberation of Taiwan," because China always recognize Taiwan as a land of China that was occupied by Japanese troops. Both Mainland and Taiwan do not recognize Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands because the reason I have mentioned above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iagen0509 (talk • contribs) 03:02, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Although the PRC does not recognize the San Francisco treaty, the ROC does. The ROC has recognized the San Francisco treaty in Treaty of Taipei.
The reason that the ROC gained control of Taiwan is in dispute. The ROC itself claims that it gained the territorial sovereignty of Taiwan. But allies such as the UK and the US do not think so and regard the control as merely a military occupation under international law. I know how China has always viewed Taiwan, but that is China's own opinion ultimately and is not necessarily in compliance with international law. --Matt Smith (talk) 03:41, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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List of countries[edit]

Someone has butchered the list of countries recognizing Taiwan, cutting off Belize and Paraguay and claiming there's only 15 when there's 17. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.168.78.119 (talk) 22:55, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tabula rasa[edit]

In the context of the international norm of tabula rasa, the ROC Ministry of Foreign Affairs remains a de facto state in readiness to join the international community, and (if applicable) as a sui generis entity of international law, abiding by the reference of the ex factis jus oritur principle and a priori and a posteriori of the ROC, to participate in international organisations as defined by international norms and the Union of International Associations.

I'm sorry, but what does tabula rasa have to do with the international status of Taiwan? Perhaps I haven't heard this term outside of the realm of psychology. --WikiWinters (talk) 01:45, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Solomon Islands recognised PRC instead on ROC now. Please update. Thanks.[edit]

Sources (free free to pick and choose) https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3777858 https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/solomon-islands-votes-cut-ties-102007369.html https://sputniknews.com/world/201909161076815020-solomon-islands-votes-to-cut-official-ties-with-taiwan/ https://www.todayonline.com/world/solomon-islands-votes-cut-ties-taiwan-amid-china-tension-official-media http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aipl/201909160015.aspx

Thanks. Nebakin (talk) 11:19, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kiribati recognises PRC instead of ROC now. Please update. Thanks.[edit]

Source: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] Nebakin (talk) 06:18, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please correct Panama section typo[edit]

The section on Panama contains the quote: "couldn't accept it anyme". I suspect 'anyme' should be 'anymore'. Last Newt (talk) 18:09, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done; thanks! Sdkb (talk) 04:16, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2019[edit]

I propose to remove the second sentence in the lead,

"These diplomatic relations do not constitute an international acceptance of Taiwan as a state, but rather represent a recognition of the ROC government as the representative of "China", which means that in the perspective of these countries, the Republic of China is "China", rather than the People's Republic of China."


Reason:

This is outdated, here are some quotes of Taiwan's diplomatic allies in the United Nations general assembly [1][2][3]

- Saint Vincent and the Grenadines: "Taiwan is not seeking to represent China as the Government of Chiang Kai-shek did in 1971. The democratically elected Government of Taiwan in this day and age seeks to represent only Taiwan and its 23 million people"

- Tuvalu: "Taiwan is a country with a well and clearly defined territory and an established democratic system of Government"

- Marshall islands:"Taiwan is a sovereign State in which 23 million people have democratically elected representatives to their Government. "

- Nauru: "Taiwan has no intention of representing the People’s Republic of China. Taiwan is a free and peace-loving sovereign State, and its democratically elected Government is the sole legitimate Government of their island State. " Visaliaw (talk) 00:58, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite convinced, tbh. BBC talks about Taiwan losing diplomatic allies. - ChrisWar666 (talk) 02:19, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Your BBC article says "Only 15 countries recognise Taiwan as a sovereign nation", while the sentence in the Wikipedia article says in the perspective of those 15 countries with diplomatic relations with Taiwan, they do not recognise Taiwan as a state but a representative of China instead, which is contradictory.--Visaliaw (talk) 03:19, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, unfortunately here at wikipedia we need WP:Reliable Sources to state something, that sentence does have a WP:Ref. We don't allow WP:Synthesis so the separate quotes wouldn't work. As it says up top, this article is controversial, and I don't know enough to properly address your request, so I'm leaving it up for now for someone else to close (which they will, unless there's a reliable source). - ChrisWar666 (talk) 04:14, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The cited source is published 2001 and my quotes are from 2007. An outdated source makes it no longer reliable so we could remove the sentence. Alternatively, we could change it into "Historically, ROC's diplomatic allies recognized it as a representative of China, but now they recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation.", and add citation of your BBC source.--Visaliaw (talk) 04:57, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/kiribati-considering-switch-in-diplomatic-ties-to-china-senior-taiwan-official
  2. ^ https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/kiribati-cuts-ties-taiwan-presaging-switch-china-65738486
  3. ^ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-taiwan-diplomacy-kiribati/taiwan-cuts-ties-with-kiribati-amid-china-tension-idUSKBN1W50DI
  4. ^ https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Taiwan-loses-second-ally-in-a-week-as-Kiribati-switches-to-China2
  5. ^ https://www.sbs.com.au/news/island-nation-of-kiribati-cuts-ties-with-taiwan-switches-to-china
 Not done for now: "we could change it into 'Historically, ROC's diplomatic allies recognized it as a representative of China, but now they recognize Taiwan as a sovereign nation.'" This claim requires no less than 30 separate references because the claim that is being made is that 15 separate nations first recognized it as a Representative of China (REP) and 'now' 15 separate nations recognize it as a sovereign nation (SOV). Since the most authoritative source on how a country views another country is that country's own government, this means that for each instance when a claim is made that one country views another as being REP then SOV will need two references originating from that country's government stating both of those facts (or only one, in the fortuitous possibility that a country chose to place both statements in a single reference)  Spintendo  14:41, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I am going to modify this page, since there are no 15 separate references to support the current sentence in the article, saying those countries recognizes it as a Representative of China, and there are some contradictory sentences.--Visaliaw (talk) 19:48, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

National Embassies Description[edit]

Combined with the list of when nations switched to recognising the PRC is a series of images of former embassies in Nanjing. Several of these include incorrect national adjectives, namely the "Soviet Union Embassy" and the "United Kingdom Embassy". A case can be made to keep the "United States Embassy" in favour of the American Embassy, but Soviet and British embassies are considered the correct description. 83.91.91.137 (talk) 09:48, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Could people please stop tinkering with the regions?[edit]

In the "countries with full diplomatic relations" subsection, several different schemes have been proposed to categorize countries, often with confusing and misleading results (not to mention the sloppy layout). First of all, it makes little sense to break countries into so many categories (so that we have no less than three world regions with just one entry on them: Europe (Holy See), Africa (Eswatini), and South America (Paraguay). Secondly, why use labels such as "West Indies", which are unlikely to be recognized by a majority of readers? I suggest using only one category for all the states in the Americas, and label it as such. No need for so much problematic detail. Ladril (talk) 01:20, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, there's no need to standardise all Foreign relations articles into arbitrary and often meaningless continent categorisations, let alone even smaller ones. CMD (talk) 02:11, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sorting North America into Central America and West Indies may be too specific, but merging both Americas is not helpful to who I am assuming are the majority of the readers of this page—Westerners and Taiwanese. "The Americas" may see common usage in other languages, in countries in Central and South America, but this is not the case in the majority of the English-speaking world. Actually, I think this is where the confusion comes from, as the IP editor(s) that keep changing North America's count to zero may think that North America only means Canada, the U.S. and Mexico. Taiwan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs the countries in the Americas as "Latin America and the Caribbean". Most lists of countries on Wikipedia go by the seven continents, so I think reverting to such categorisation would be the best choice. CentreLeftRight ✉ 04:51, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Actually it looks like the article isn't consistent to begin with. Not sure why "Arab World" is separate from "Asia" in other parts of the article. CentreLeftRight ✉ 05:06, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Because being an Arab state is often more relevant for diplomacy than however a country is sorted into various continental systems. CMD (talk) 06:00, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Here you are actually creating a category for just one state (Paraguay). This is exactly what I'm saying we should be avoiding. This being a short list (15 states), it should be as simple as possible (simple=fewer categories). Basically you are just inviting future editors to break down the Americas again into three or more subregions (and ending up with several categories with 3-4 states each). Again, why do we exactly would need nine categories to sort out 15 list entries? This is unnecessary and unhelpful as far as this article is concerned. It might be helpful in other Wikipedia lists, but I don't see how it makes this one any good. As far as the other lists on the page go, I think a very good case could be made to also join North and South America together; why would we want an Africa category with 51 entries and two America categories with three entries each? Finally, I'm not convinced by your assertion that "The Americas is not common usage in the English-speaking world" when there is a Wikipedia article on the Americas to begin with. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas Ladril (talk) 16:35, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've sorted it by date, which is far more relevant to the topic than country location. To the extent that some countries are discussed together, I've read quite a bit grouping the Pacific states together (although not Oceania as a whole as the articles discuss poorer states only), but that doesn't provide a reason to split up a short list. CMD (talk) 17:14, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Content dispute[edit]

@120.17.208.103: this is the place to make your argument, please do so. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:14, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Diplomatic relations of Republic of China (Taiwan) with Nicaragua[edit]

I (user Tekle Mariam) would like to draw attention to the vandalism of the user 2a02:908:113e:f4a0:44f:f6ea:f3b5:b766, who repeatedly edited the article Foreign relations of Taiwan with the insertion of false information without source, that Nicaragua ended diplomatic relations with the Republic of China (Taiwan) in 2021. He committed the same vandalism in the article Foreign relations of Nicaragua. After my removal of his edits in both articles and my adding of citation of source in reference proving the existing diplomatic relations between Nicaragua and the Republic of China (Taiwan) in 2021, he repeatedly undid my edits and intimidated me (see Foreign relations of Taiwan: Revision history - edits on 5 February 2021). I request reparation of this situation and removal of vandal edits of the user 2a02:908:113e:f4a0:44f:f6ea:f3b5:b766. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tekle Mariam (talk • contribs) 19:24, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Tekle Mariam, I noticed the same, manually reverted the Nicaragua page but there have been lots of changes to this page since the vandalism occured and I don't have time to fix it. Anyone who has the time should please remove the unsourced claims that were made on 5 February. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TikkaMasalaCornishPasty (talk • contribs) 21:42, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

History *and* historical context sections?[edit]

We appear to have both a history and historical context section, I propose combining them as they cover the same material and have the same function. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:43, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nicaragua[edit]

Unless I'm mistaken, Nicaragua still has full diplomatic relations with Taiwan right? I noticed it's missing from the list of countries. The list only has 14 countries even though it's supposed to be 15? - Bokmanrocks01 (talk) 00:38, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of states with non-diplomatic relations[edit]

I've noticed that Bangladesh doesn't have direct non-diplomatic relations with Taiwan. Rather, it is represented through India and Thailand. Meanwhile, Estonia is similarly represented through Latvia. Overall, there are several countries that have similar such arrangements, but some of them have been included within the list whereas others haven't. One of the other excluded countries seems to be Belarus, for example, which is represented through Russia, according to some other articles on Wikipedia. Another excluded country is Pakistan, which is represented through Hong Kong. On the topic of Hong Kong, it and Macau are both technically parts of the PRC, which means that Taiwan has relations with parts of the PRC but not with the mainland of the PRC (i.e. mainland China); this is why I've added the PRC to the list but haven't included it within the number of states. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 16:49, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lithuania[edit]

Taiwan's unofficial embassy has opened in Lithuania on 18 November 2021 (i.e. today), from what I can tell. The official Twitter account of the "Taiwanese Representative Office in Lithuania" (@TW_in_LT) has today tweeted a photograph of what looks to be Taiwanese representatives standing outside the newly-opened Taiwanese Representative Office in Lithuania with signs that include the date "2021 - 11/18". The @TW_in_LT official Twitter account was created in July of 2021. I had previously pre-emptively added Lithuania to the list of countries with unofficial relations with Taiwan a few days ago; relations had been announced but not finalised at that time. The total number of countries with unofficial relations with Taiwan seems to be 58 UN member states plus Somaliland at the present time. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 10:18, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nicaragua breaks ties[edit]

Thursday, December 9th. Nicaragua has announced that it breaks ties with Taiwan. 2A02:A453:CB35:1:518C:7A49:5E06:9E08 (talk) 23:14, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Honduras[edit]

It may have been an honest mistake, but someone removed Honduras from the list of countries with full diplomatic relationship with the ROC, and the count went from 15 to 13 instead of from 15 to 14, with the loss of Nicaragua. Two countries were deducted instead of one. 123.205.19.162 (talk) 00:58, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Oalexander for fixing this. :) I am hoping that one day Lithuania will fully and formally recognize Taiwan. We'd have lost a dictatorship (Nicaragua) but won a fine democratic partner (Lithuania) which shares our democratic and human right values. Many thanks to all the wikipedians who work tirelessly to maintain this article, according to facts and truth, free of political interference. 123.205.19.162 (talk) 02:24, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My two cents; describing Nicaragua as a straight-up 'dictatorship' is a bit misleading. Ortega's regime is indeed a Putin-style dictatorship, but there are groups within Nicaragua that are opposed to Ortega's rule whom he has brutally repressed. | Furthermore, the best way to make friends is to be nice to people (i.e. diplomacy), even those with whom you are in disagreement, rather than to be spiteful. From what I've seen of China's recent interactions with Lithuania, the likelihood of those two countries re-establishing full diplomatic relations in the near future is next to none. Chinese state media have been extremely spiteful, (with the Global Times) even releasing an opinion piece written by a Russian guest writer that declared that Lithuania was "not a real country" and was instead just an appendage of Russia. Why would Lithuania in their right mind even consider re-establishing relations with China after such spiteful treatment? | In the same way, being spiteful towards Nicaragua (as a whole) will weaken Taiwan diplomatically; Ortega is the dictator. Ortega has actually been ruling Nicaragua since 2007, though his rule recently developed into a dictatorship in 2021. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 08:29, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, thank you. I agree with what you write and with the sentiment. Thank you for correcting me about Nicagua, a country I know little about. Regarding Lithuania, they and China have NOT (yet?) broken diplomatic relationship. My choice of words was ambiguous, sorry. It's just that Lithuania has gotten too close to Taiwan for China's liking. Things are evolving fast. China is now starting to threaten international businesses that do business with Lithuania. It appears that China is about to overplay its hand. If so, then Lithuania might soon (??) have full diplomatic relationship with Taiwan, thus making up for the loss of Nicaragua. In terms of struggle for democracy, Lithuania is Taiwan's European sibling. 123.205.19.162 (talk) 13:40, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(Re: Lithuania) — The relationship between China and Lithuania has been downgraded (unilaterally by China) to the status of a "chargé d'affaires". For all intents and purposes, this means that China no longer has full diplomatic relations with Lithuania but still maintains an unofficial presence in the country; this is comparable to Taiwan's own numerous "economic and cultural" offices that it uses to maintain under-the-table diplomatic relations with countries that only officially recognise the People's Republic of China. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 15:22, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's precisely right. Thank you. :) Have a good day, and thank you for your numerous contributions to Wikipedia. 123.205.19.162 (talk) 07:18, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ironically, there's a photograph of Tsai Ing-wen smiling alongside pre-dictatorship Ortega that is still visible in the full-diplomatic relations section of this article. I believe that this photograph should probably be removed due to the recent severance of ties. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 08:47, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Bhutan and the map of diplomatic relations[edit]

The map in the lede (File:ROC, PRC.png) puts Bhutan in the category of "Countries that have formal relations with the PRC only, but have informal relations or mutual de facto embassies with Taiwan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs". However, Bhutan does not recognize, or have formal relations with, either the PRC or the ROC, and seems to maintain only informal relations with the former. Should this be changed? INDT (talk) 09:29, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

United States section[edit]

Hello, I have updates the United States section - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Taiwan#United_States I got an advise on teahouse to make a new discussion here. If someone can check my contributions and add if I missed out on something. Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 17:09, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Map for Resolution 2758[edit]

There are some oddities on this map as it presents today.

Oman is shown in yellow, but it was not a Chinese colony. Since it joined the UN 18 days earlier, it should be red, blue or green.

Portuguese Guinea (now Guinea-Bissau) is shown in green, while Portuguese West Africa (Angola) and Portuguese East Africa (Mozambique) are shown in grey. Greenland is shown in green instead of grey.

Bangladesh is shown in green, but it was not a UN member since independence in March 1971 until 1974; if the map purports it as still being "East Pakistan", then at best, it should be shown as an ambiguity - Pakistan had no control over the territory. I suggest grey for Bangladesh not being a UN member and its independence not yet conceded by Pakistan.

If the ROC was present for the vote, did it abstain or vote against? - Taiwan should be shown in the appropriate colour because, until the vote was complete, it was still a member and its delegation legitimate.

Also, the independent island colonies in the world are not shown, though usually, a visible circle is placed where the actual size is too small for the scale, and there are, in 1971, independent nations in the Pacific and the eastern Caribbean. GBC (talk) 20:43, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have done some research. The following were independent and UN members prior to 25 Oct 1971: Jamaica, Bhutan, Qatar, Oman (visible on map), Malta, Maldives, Singapore, Barbados, Fiji, Bahrain (not evident on map). Samoa (independent nation not evident on map) and Bangladesh (visible on map) were not UN members. Trinidad & Tobago and Mauritius, also UN members, are barely visible and their colours cannot be distinguished.
New Caledonia is shown, in green, but it is a dependency of France.
Bangladesh declared independence in Mar 1971 and Pakistan capitulated to that condition in Dec 1971, so Bangladesh should be shown in grey, not green. GBC (talk) 21:42, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nairobi Trade Center[edit]

Taiwan maintains an extremely low level Trade Office in Nairobi which can be assumed as the unofficial de facto Embassy of Taiwan in Nairobi Kenya. On their website [4]https://nairobi.taiwantrade.com/home they list "visa application form" which can be seen as an unofficial embassy. Also, one of their local employees. states on her Linkedin that she helps people get visas. Can the editors do research and see if this qualifies to update the section. Their facebook account is www.facebook.com/ttcNairobi/ Steveonsi (talk) 18:57, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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