Talk:Commander-in-Chief, India

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Both external links show General Sir Alan Hartley as preseeding Wavell. This is wrong.

http://www-archives.chu.cam.ac.uk/perl/node?a=a&reference=CHAR%2020%2F68A-B

04 Jan 1942

Telegram from WSC to the Viceroy and Governor-General of India [2nd Lord Linlithgow, earlier Lord Hopetoun] refusing to remove General Sir Claude Auchinleck from command in Middle East [? to be Commander-in-Chief, India], asks if [? General Sir Alan Hartley, General Officer Commanding- in-Chief, Northern Command, India] or [? General Sir William Platt, General Officer Commanding-in-Chief, East African Command] would be acceptable.

04 Jan 1942

Telegram from WSC to General Sir Archibald Wavell, Commander-in-Chief, India [and Supreme Commander, South West Pacific], advising he should set up his headquarters in Java [Dutch East Indies, later Indonesia] as also advised by the United States.

http://www.fepow-community.org.uk/Research/London_Gazette/Burma_Dec_1941_to_May_1942/ Section 14:

On 30th December, 1941, I received a telegram appointing me to the newly constituted South-West Pacific Command (afterwards known as A.B.D A.). Burma was included in this Command. I at once recommended that the defence of Burma should remain the responsibility of Commander-in-Chief, India, for the same reasons for which I had previously urged its transfer to India from the Far East Command (see paragraph 3). I was, however, overruled on the grounds that Marshal Chiang-Kai-Shek must feel himself connected with the new South West Pacific Command. I think that this decision was a serious error from the military point of view.... General Sir Alan Hartley who succeeded me as Commander-in-Chief, India', did everything possible to meet Burma's requirements.

Section 21

On 23rd February I was ordered to close down A.OB.D.A. Command Headquarters and to reassume my appointment as Commander-in-chief, India.' I thus against became responsible for the defence of Burma within a few days of having handed it over. [sic (the "OB" and "against" are in the source) PBS]

Please see Talk:American-British-Dutch-Australian Command#C in C India for more details. User:Philip Baird Shearer October 11 2004

Indian Commanders-in-Chief[edit]

Shouldn't this list also include Field Marshal Cariappa and General Maharaj Rajendrasighji as well? AFAIK, they, too served as military Commanders-in-Chief of India until India became a Republic in 1950. --Kunal (Talk) 20:57, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rank and title[edit]

This is a list of people who were the military Commander-in-Chief, India. The rank and title are the final for the person's career and not necessarily applicable to his tenure as Commander-in-Chief.

For the last section this is clearly not true (probably others but I have not checked them). A number who are listed as General were Field Marshals by the end of their careers. Either the list needs amendment or this sentence needs changing to the rank they held during their time as C-in-C. --Philip Baird Shearer 10:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

1951?[edit]

At the moment the article's second paragraph reads:

Following the creation of the Republic of India in 1951, the post was merged into the new office of President of the Republic of India. Thus, the Indian President is Commander in Chief of the Indian Armed Forces.

The Republic of India was created in 1950. So, is "1951" a simple error, or is this a poorly phrased way of saying that the change came about by statute (or even a constitutional amendment) a little while after the Constitution took effect? Andrew Gwilliam (talk) 03:38, 21 June 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Career Soldiers or Mercenaries?[edit]

India till 1858 was ruled by East India Company, a private firm and not the British Government. By being in the pay of East India Company, this makes those marked as Commanders-in-Chief mercenaries of fortune and not a career soldier in India, even if they are career soldiers elsewhere. Should they be called Commanders-in-Chief of India or Heads of the East India Troops in India? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.242.63.60 (talk) 04:30, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Stars?[edit]

Just a question, would it be beneficial to find out what “stars” the position held, and add it? Did it have any stars at all? We’re they even considered a thing? 162.157.81.204 (talk) 02:21, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Stars?[edit]

I think the title explains: how many stars? 4, 5 or 3? Did they have any at all? We’re stars even a thing then? Sorry, I have no info on the subject, but I hope someone does! 162.157.81.204 (talk) 02:23, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What does CinC mean?[edit]

I've been going through some sources (mostly ODNB and the like) to try and fix some dates in this list, and have found myself changing quite a bit. I've stopped now because I'm rather unsure of my actions. What position did someone have to hold to be determined CinC in the early days? For example John Caillaud's ODNB page says that he "was put in command of the Bengal army in November 1759", but there's nothing saying he was CinC between February and December 1760. Furthermore, this source records that Stringer Lawrence replaced Adlercron as CinC when the latter was returned to England with his regiment on 11 November 1757. This of course eats into the dates that the article provides for Clive's first term as "CinC". Clive's ODNB records that he was at this time second-in-command of an expedition to Bombay and Governor of Fort St David. Is this the same thing as CinC or something else?

The aforementioned and linked source goes on to record Lawrence as resigning his second term on 9 April 1759, which again messes up the extant dates. A "Major Brereton" of the 79th is then recorded as taking over as CinC, and I don't even know who he is! Per the source, Lawrence then returns to India for a third term as "Commander-in-Chief of all the Company's forces" on 2 October 1761, and he left his position for a final time on 3 April 1766. Again, this destroys the current narrative. Another example of my confusion might be with John Carnac's service, which is recorded as firstly between December 1760 and April 1761. Carnac's ODNB describes him as "major of the company's forces in Bengal" at this time - is this Commander in Chief, India? I'll stop blathering on now, but I hope I've gotten the gist of the issue across. Thanks, Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 15:39, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pickersgill-Cunliffe I've been looking at these lists and have a number of the same concerns for the early days. In some cases, the first few officers were commanding no more than a couple of regiments, and thus would hardly have been worthy of the title of "Commander-in-Chief." There's also hardly any contemporary references to this title "Commander-in-Chief, India," and I've just rechecked Clive: Heaven-Born General and found no reference to the title whatsoever. Basically our list is based on two internet sources (T.F. Mills and B.R.), which are not reliable enough. I believe we should remove the unbroken list from Stringer Lawrence onward and only list commanders after the Government of India Act 1858, in accordance with the intro section at Bengal Army. The presidency army commanders' lists are more reliable, it appears. Buckshot06 (talk) 02:57, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Buckshot06: A difficult one; it might be necessary to go through each individual officer to check, as I'm aware that the title may have been given out on an ad hoc basis even if it was not as clear cut as the article suggests. I'll try and take a look at this in the coming weeks, but please feel free to chop and change it as you feel necessary. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 22:53, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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