Talk:Jude the Apostle

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Ibises?[edit]

I'm aware this page needs many citations, but am particularly suspicious of the claim that Jude was patron of Ibises. This was by an anonymous user back in 2009, and so hasn't been corrected for a while - but it doesn't seem like it is correct. Anyone with better knowledge/sources able to verify? Scottkeir (talk) 22:10, 14 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]


New research[edit]

I did some research on St. Jude last semester and I think the results are relevant to this page. The thesis is in Swedish but there's an Abstract in English. If nobody happens to understand Swedish I will edit this page eventually as I don't really have the time right now. Check it out at http://karlstad.academia.edu/FredrikATilhon/Papers/682910/The_origin_of_Saint_Jude_-_A_study_of_the_saint_of_despair — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.35.193.128 (talk) 19:14, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Iconography[edit]

The iconography headline is incorrect about what Eusebius' church history says. It does not say anything about a painting nor does it even say that Jude, one of the 12, visited King Abgar. It was Thaddeus, one of the 70! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.228.190.214 (talk) 16:37, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Work[edit]

This page is going to need a bit more work, but I don't have the time to do it right now. - Scooter 02:54, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)


If you say so. Gingermint (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:51, 11 October 2009 (UTC).[reply]

An incorrect "misidentification"[edit]

The following statement is factually incorrect and adds unnecessary doubts and confusions:

In Acts he is probably also intended under the name of "Barsabas" (Acts 15:22).

On the contrary, the author of Acts of the Apostles has established the identity of his "Barsabbas" at the outset, in i.23: "So they proposed two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias." There are confusions of identity introduced in Acts, but this is not one of them. --Wetman 20:12, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]


This page currently (Dec. 1, 2005) treats it as a given that the apostle Jude/Thaddaeus should be identified with Jude the brother of Jesus and author of the epistle. I think that is fallacious, and definitely not self-evident or universally (widely?) accepted. 

(Anonymously posted by User:4.173.181.122)
The later legends that separate out a separate personality for Jude are mentioned. Are any important or interesting early texts left out? --Wetman 13:46, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

They need more facts about him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.37.92 (talk) 21:47, 11 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Saint Jude and Saint Thomas[edit]

The connection between Jude and Thomas needs to be more apparent in this article, including a link to the Thomas article. This will greatly improve both accuracy and quality.Tinkstar1985 07:25, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the article about Saint Thomas this is addressed fairly well and I was hoping this article would have more information or a slightly different view. Unfortunately, this is not the case. I might also add (so I will) that this article is unusually short. Gingermint (talk) 20:54, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

jude the great[edit]

judeed did a lot of great things to save people —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.241.164 (talk) 21:44, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

yeah.



So, you're saying there needs to be more written about him? I agree. The article is too short. Gingermint (talk) 20:55, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Incorrect statement[edit]

This statement is not totaly correct: "Devotion to Saint Jude began again in earnest in the 1800s, starting in Italy and Spain, spreading to South America, and finally to the U.S. (starting in the area around Chicago) owing to the influence of the Claretians and the Dominicans in the 1920s"

Devotion to Saint Jude began in the 600s in the town of Hasroun, North of Lebanon. Saint jude is the patron of this town and high percentage of men from hasroun are named after him i.e. Jude, Leba (from Lebbaus), Teddy or Ted (form Thadeous). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.135.241.45 (talk) 17:07, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

YouTube Video?[edit]

What is the purpose of having someone's personal YouTube video linked on this page as an official "External Link"? Seems to me that it needs to go away. Ckruschke (talk) 15:15, 24 March 2011 (UTC)Ckruschke[reply]

I agree that the video seems to add no value and should be removed. I'll do that in due course if no one can explain how it helps the article. Johnuniq (talk) 03:43, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Explain why Jude is patron of hopeless cases[edit]

I'm watching a sailer movie St. Cloud, that's how I learned and ended up here. But I can't understand from the article how Apostle Jude became patron of hopeless cases. Can that be explained in the article, pls. Thy happy wikipedia-ing --SvenAERTS (talk) 01:26, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Apostle with a square[edit]

In the picture of Van Dyck the apostle carries a square which is rather associated with the Apostle Thomas then with Taddeus who usually carries a baton. --Moroderen (talk) 13:36, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And your point is... what? The picture has the wrong catption or...? Ckruschke (talk) 19:06, 3 January 2013 (UTC)Ckruschke[reply]
It is not Saint Jude the Apostle but it is the Apostle Thomas --Moroderen (talk) 22:39, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Let me ask this a different way - What is your suggested issue with or change to the page? If the caption is wrong and the picture isn't of Jude, then remove it. If it's something else, please elaborate. Ckruschke (talk) 12:54, 4 January 2013 (UTC)Ckruschke[reply]

Possible Identity with Thaddeus Section[edit]

It is not a possible identity...it is a definite identity. His name is Jude and is also known as Thaddeus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsepe (talk • contribs) 14:31, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wording[edit]

"Some Catholics believe the two Judes are the same person, while a number of Protestants do not."

Not sure what to make of this. If only "some" Catholics believe then some Catholics don't. If only "a number" of Protestants don't believe, then presumably a number do. Would "Opinion is divided among Christians as to whether the two Judes are the same person" get the same point over more succinctly? Tigerboy1966  09:01, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

About the name Lebbaeus[edit]

Working thru the non-canonical Clementine literature (not recommended as light reading), there is a list of Apostles which is very similar to the one in the Synoptic tradition with one exception: instead of Jude/Thaddeus, Lebbaeus appears. This & the odd manuscript of Matthew suggest that some Christians in the 4th century believed a Lebbaeus was one of the Apostles. If I knew more about that manuscript, I'd be willing to add this fact to the article, & risk the usual push-back. -- llywrch (talk) 20:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kyrgyzstan[edit]

I believe that it is in fact Matthew who allegedly was buried in Kyrgyzstan, not Jude. Is this suggestion on this page in error? Tefalstar (talk) 21:43, 9 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Club?[edit]

A club is mentioned as an attribute in the infobox and the lede but not in the body of the article, where the axe is explained instead. Tigerboy1966  05:44, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]


vegetarian?[edit]

This support for the statement that Jude was a vegetarian is a footnote linked to an amazon site where the book is sold. It is not possible to verify the statement. A Google search did not come up with results that did not use this article as support. Is this adequate for Wikipedia's purposes? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 13:58, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The text was added 29 May 2015 by MaynardClark. It says "tradition holds" which conceivably could be true in some places but it is highly unlikely that any evidence is available and I support removal of the assertion. Johnuniq (talk) 22:43, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think that we should INCLUDE the note that 'tradition holds' (or something like that) because these matters DO interweave with what living humans hold about an array of thinkings about such topics.MaynardClark (talk) 22:45, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What is the source? I don't see "vegetarian" at the link in the article: https://books.google.com/?id=r0hQe2CpRtcC&dq=%22Jude+the+Apostle%22+vegetarian If it is a tradition, several sources should be available. Johnuniq (talk) 22:50, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Four Judes in bible[edit]

This article states that Catholics believe that all 4 Judes mentioned in the bible are the same person. However, the U.S.Conference of Catholic Bishops page (usccb.org) states that the church does NOT believe that all four are the same person. See quote below from Jude, THE LETTER OF JUDE | USCCB:

This letter is by its address attributed to “Jude, a slave of Jesus Christ and brother of James” (Jude 1). Since he is not identified as an apostle, this designation can hardly be meant to refer to the Jude or Judas who is listed as one of the Twelve (Lk 6:16; Acts 1:13; cf. Jn 14:22). The person intended is almost certainly the other Jude, named in the gospels among the relatives of Jesus (Mt 13:55; Mk 6:3), and the James who is listed there as his brother is the one to whom the Letter of James is attributed (see the Introduction to James). Nothing else is known of this Jude, and the apparent need to identify him by reference to his better-known brother indicates that he was a rather obscure personage in the early church. 68.212.64.32 (talk) 21:38, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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