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Untitled[edit]

The Porn FAQ at http://www.iafd.com/person.asp?perfid=Cicciolina&gender=F gives her birth date as Wednesday, December 26, 1951 contradicting the information in the article. http://search.excaliburfilms.com/pornlist/starpgs/ciccioli.htm gives December 12.AxelBoldt

So Cicciolina is not dead after all! — JIP | Talk 5 July 2005 19:20 (UTC)

category question[edit]

She was born in Hungary but became a porn star (and much more) in Italy. Should she be considered (for category purposes) a Hungarian porn star or an Italian porn star? -EdgarAllanToe 14:27, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

honourable[edit]

As a former member of the Italian Parliament, she is styled 'Honourable Anna Ilona Staller'. Please do not remove the correct manner of address. 81.208.83.215 13:15, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can you back up your statement with a reliable source? Tabercil 23:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- Italian dictionary (http://www.dizionario-italiano.it/dizionario-italiano.php?lemma=onorevole) or just google "onorevoli deputati" for tens of thousands of results (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22onorevoli+deputati%22&btnG=Search&meta=) 81.208.83.215 10:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The title "Onorevole" (Honourable) is applied only to the actual members of the Parliament, not to the former members.Check the Italian version of the page where there's no "Honourable" applied to the name 84.222.95.52 22:35, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Title[edit]

This article should be renamed according to Wikipedia's policy to "Cicciolina", as this is Ilona Staller's stage name —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.226.217.121 (talk) 10:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- "Cicciolina redirects here, so it's not a big isssue. [20:50, 31 August 2009 (UTC)]

What the hell is "limited scat?"[edit]

And is it a technical term? I'm completely confused. 4.248.47.106 (talk) 18:48, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Italian Stallion[edit]

This statement about rumors of Cicciolina fellating an Italian Stallion are a text book example of Wikipedia's policy of rumors about public figures. To wit:

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The two articles cited refute the rumor nearly 20 years after it appeared, so it's not appropriate to include them in the text (According to the Belfast Telegraph...) but the rumor persists and looms large in the subjects notoriety. Plus, there's basis to the rumor: the zoophilia with a horse did go down in a film she starred in, except by a different ... uhh... actress. 20:59, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

You cannot stuff a BLP article full of rumors, dubious claims, and contentious material by citing it to IMDB, a moribund gossip site like http://www.inoutstar.com, or any other sites that don't meet the requirements of WP:BLP and WP:RS. However impressively named some of those sites might be to you, there is virtually no reliably sourced material of an encyclopedic nature in the text you insist should be restored to the article, and certainly not in the wholly unnecessary attempt to determine which porn performer may have had sex with a horse decades ago. This is just the sort of "titillating claim" that WP:BLP clearly states is not appropriate for a Wikipedia article.Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk)

Both the Belfast Telegraph and the Independent newspapers saw fit to acknowledge the rumors of her zoophilia. It's a significant pervasive rumor, the second thing some people associate with her, much like prurient rumors of Catherine the Great's zoophilia, which gets a whole lengthy article. Either the rumors or true or they're not. http://www.inoutstar.com was the best source I found, unless you can read Italian, that refutes this rumor authoritatively by displacing it with specific information.

imDb is a reliable source 99% of the time. It's useful in clarifying the LA Times article that her trademark is baring one breast. 20:40, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

BLP applies to any living person mentioned in a Wikipedia article, not just to the article subject. The article you cite on Catherine the Great does not refer to any living person, not does it devote more than a single line to the rumor. IMDB is not, by consensus, a reliable source for BLP details, especially controversial or derogatory ones.. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:34, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

IMDb's note that her trademark is a dress that exposes one breast is not more controversial or derogatory than the LA Time's article about how she conducted a "breast-baring campaign", merely more specific. The article on Catherine the Great's zoophilia is quite lengthy. Rumors of Cicciolina's zoophilia are stated and refuted in a single, one-line sentence. This version of the article has many other improvements that should not be discarded. 02:29, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Her first appearence in a Playboy issue was in Italian Playboy, June 1980. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.91.36.14 (talk) 22:25, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Decription at the intro[edit]

The article begins by describing Cicciolina as an "Italian politician, porn-star, and singer". In terms of notability, the order needs to be changed : She is most notable for having being a pornographic model and film performer, first and foremost, then for her brief stint in Italian politics and then as a (novelty) singer. Also, the sentence "She is famous for delivering political speeches with one breast exposed", needs to be moved from the introduction to the section about her political career.-The Gnome (talk) 19:34, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Onorevole Cicciolina going to retire[edit]

Croatian writer Giancarlo Kravar: One of the most famous porn star Ilona Staller 26th November 2011th will have a 60th years. Being on the list of the Radical Party Marco Panella since 1987 until 1992 the Deputies of the Parliament of Italy, acquired the requirements to recieve a state pension of 3,000 euros a month. Happy days a well-deserved retirement, Onorevole Cicciolina. 78.2.84.129 (talk) 20:57, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cicciolina go to the Vatican[edit]

Croatian writer Giancarlo Kravar: A former secret agent, porn actress and politician Ilona Staller Cicciolina be spiritualy transformed. She is now retired, lives in Rome and go every Sunday to Mass at the Vatican.78.2.47.187 (talk) 02:36, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Radio Show on Radio Luna and actress carreer[edit]

The radio show on Radio Luna called Voulez-vous coucher avec moi? she started in 1976, not in 1973: in that year the ratio station don't existed yet, indeed it started in 1976 following the italian "free radio" fenomena, when a lot of local and indipendent radio stations started in the late 1970's. -- Il Passeggero - I love to love you 07:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by IlPasseggero (talk • contribs)

The first movie she played wasn't La liceale, but Incontro d'amore, 5 years before. See IMDB. -- Il Passeggero - I love to love you 07:13, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 18 October 2015[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline (talk) 14:16, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ilona Staller → Cicciolina – This is per WP:COMMONNAME. Even the article itself says in the first sentence that she is better known as Cicciolina. Google News Search, for example, returns 12,800 results for "Cicciolina" and 2,800 for "Ilona Staller". Vanjagenije (talk) 22:50, 18 October 2015 (UTC) --Relisted. sst ✈ 09:25, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose in more serious sources known by real name. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:38, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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In popular culture - italian band Bulldozer made two songs about her[edit]

"Ilona the Very Best" on Bulldozer's album "IX" (1987) "Ilona has been elected" on Bulldozer's album "Neurodeliri" (1988) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.139.13.205 (talk) 08:49, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cicciolina DOES NOT mean "little chubby"[edit]

Chi ha tradotto "cicciolino" con "little chubby" si è probabilmente confuso con "cicciottino". In italiano, il termine "cicciolino", così come il suo corrispondente femminile "cicciolina", viene usato come termine affettuoso, praticamente analogo a "ciccino", e molto simile a "tesoruccio", "amoruccio" ecc., e non ha nulla a che vedere con la grassezza, tanto è vero che anche il mio nipotino, che è decisamente magro, viene da me chiamato "cicciolino", in alternanza con "tesoruccio" e altri termini simili. Se uno volesse dire "little chubby", direbbe "cicciottino" ("tt" al posto di "l"), che appunto fa riferimento alla grassezza, anche se in forma attenuata e in un certo senso vezzeggiativa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.32.65.198 (talk) 22:41, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Cool story, bro. 82.83.214.218 (talk) 04:25, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

The Italian WP has her as "Ilona Staller, all'anagrafe Elena Anna Staller, nota anche con lo pseudonimo di Cicciolina" but does not give pronunciations. It might be useful to add pronunciations for Staller and Cicciolina.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 11:05, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]