Talk:Cosmos

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The term kosmos

Sometimes the term 'cosmos' is considered to be only the observed universe, while the term "universe" refers to all that exists whether it has been discovered or not. 'Cosmos' is the "known universe."

Shouldn't the above be the other way around? Of course, traditionally, the universe contains all that exists, but in the modern usage of physicists, as opposed to the traditional usage, the universe is conceived of as containing less than everything, even if perhaps more than what is observed. Cosmos, on the other hand, is more of a theologians' or philosophers' term. Michael Hardy 01:28, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Agreed. Aequo 00:42, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

It may be the other way around in some context, but that information was taken from '50s, '60s World Book encyclopedia; that the cosmos was the "known" universe, and universe denoted everything that was, discovered or not. If someone has an older World Book encyclopedia collection, maybe look it up for reference, Wikipedia is about verifiability and sources. Nagelfar (talk) 08:18, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I made the change requested above, and removed the "disputed" tag. I hope that's ok. --Goethean 19:05, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I would think that originally kosmos meant (by Pythagoras) ordered and visible space. Ordered in the sense of mathematically structured. In this context cosmos is synonymous with the term universe as the modern physics see it. But then again universe is from Latin unus vertere (ie to turn into one) and this can be seen connected to greek term holon which means whole. So I would suggest that the first poster here is right making the distinction between cosmos and universe in the way he does. -- Aethralis 14:17, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

My understanding is that the 19th century polymath, Alexander von Humboldt, resurrected this word from the ancient Greek, assigned it to his multi-volume Kosmos (Humboldt), and, along the way, influenced our modern and somewhat "holistic" perception of the universe as an interacting entity. Can someone confirm/deny this? Thanks, Isambard Kingdom (talk) 18:50, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I went ahead and added this information to the lead. Isambard Kingdom (talk) 18:15, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

It's not worth an argument, but John Bulwer said "As the greater World is called Cosmus from the beauty thereof" around 1650. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 21:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Phenomenology?

"The term is used in phenomenology to describe the view of the world up until the rise of technology in the 20th century." This is interesting remark. Are there any citations for this statemant? In my opinion it is too broad and vague - it certanly does not apply to all phenomenology.

Ask User:Zorio 1. — goethean ॐ 14:59, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Carl Sagan

Carl Sagan is listed in the see also section, but not in the article. we need to add more info about him, and how he relates to the term cosmos.--Alhutch 05:36, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Citations?

In my opinion this is not good style and needs citations.

Some theologians use the term to denote the created universe, not including God. Many philosophers use the word "absolute", cosmos and universe synonymously to include all that exists. Physicists often use the word universe in a technical way, referring to a space-time continuum; see cosmology.

--Aethralis 11:16, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Cosmos as system

Reverted edits that defined cosmos as universe. Cosmos is definitely a "system" (closed or open). So we can speak about "inner cosmos" or the like. Universe has different connotations. -- Aethralis 09:46, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

That may be, but saying, "The cosmos is thought of as an orderly or harmonious system" does not actually define the term. It's like saying "The United States is thought of as a nice place to live" rather than "The United States is a country in North America" as the first sentence of the article on the US. I will rephrase the first sentence, attempting to retain the generality of the meaning. Strait 15:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

RandyS0725 14:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)Couldn't the term also define, in terms of Greek mythology, the ordered Chaos, or galactic discord, after he mated with the goddess Caligo and fathered the first gods? That seems also probable.

Removing memetics category

I am removing the memetics category from this article since you learn no more about the article's contents from the category and v.v. Since so many things may be memes we should try to keep the category closely defined in order to remain useful. Hope you're okay with that. The link to meme would be enough I suggest. Facius 17:56, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Ken Wilber

What credentials Ken Wilber has that he has been listed as philosopher ? --Shashwat iitb 07:27, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

There is no such an established domain in philosophy as 'integral philosophy'. This section sounds like Ken Wilber's views promotion and should be deleted. --Open 2 (talk) 05:05, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 09:46, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Can we have a section with the IPA pronunciation please? Americans say cos-mows (with a long o as in most) and I wonder where this came from - its a Greek word and the Greeks say it with a short o (as in moss), as do most of the rest of the world. 81.129.135.62 (talk) 15:37, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Age and size of the cosmos

"The diameter of the entire cosmos (assuming Alan Guth's inflation theory to be valid) is thought to be at least between 10 decillion and 10 undecillion light years short scale (this is a lower bound)."

This, of course, is totally speculative and, as such, says all but nothing. But what else can you expect from a cluster of formulations such as "assuming theory xy" .."to be at least" .."is a lower bound" ..? It says nothing. The entire cosmos could very well be infinite in expanse. It could just as well be much smaller than the diameter given. This is and remains an open question. So why not write exactly that? It's unknown. Period. Zero Thrust (talk) 19:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I concur. I cannot find any resources that substantiate this claim. I am therefore modifying the article to reflect the above view. Siddharth Prabhu (talk) 08:31, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Alexander von Humboldt

Perhaps more reference to von Humboldt's contribution would be helpful? It was Humboldt who resurrected the word from the Greek in the 1850s. His conception of cosmos was, however, slightly different, and much broader, from today's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.201.219.86 (talk) 10:14, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

this is a mess

I see the following possibilities

• decide that the primary use is synonymous with Universe and redirect there
• decide that "cosmos" as relating to the Universe usually concerns questions of Cosmology and redirect there
• decide that there is actually a concept (ancient philosophy, theology) that can be discussed as distinct from "Universe" and "Cosmology" and write an actual article
• turn this into a disambiguation page

--dab (𒁳) 08:22, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

I agree that it's a mess, and that a radical change would be better; I'd favor redirecting to a disambiguation page (I would guess more people are searching for info on the TV show or book than as a synonym for universe), and would oppose redirecting to Cosmology. However, getting this through an "Articles for Deletion" process to make it a redirect seems unlikely...people will google "cosmos", see 22,800,000 matches, say "yep there's a cosmos", and vote to keep. If there is some distinct concept of cosmos, and there very well may be, an article could be justified, but this article, with just two citations, both dictionaries, currently doesn't make that case. Agyle (talk) 06:35, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

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176.59.209.185 (talk) 05:35, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Unattributed wholesale borrowing

The entire section on Cosmology's Standard Model (CSM) is copied from another encyclopedia. It could be put in quotes and properly cited. However, it might be better to just delete the section on the CSM, as there is already a separate article in Wikipedia on that topic. Ps8v9 (talk) 22:05, 18 July 2023 (UTC)