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Former featured article candidateSaddam Hussein is a former featured article candidate. Please view the links under Article milestones below to see why the nomination failed. For older candidates, please check the archive.
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DateProcessResult
June 2, 2004Featured article candidateNot promoted
May 9, 2006Peer reviewReviewed
On this day...Facts from this article were featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on July 16, 2004, July 16, 2005, July 16, 2006, July 16, 2007, and July 16, 2008.
Current status: Former featured article candidate

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Ad Nauseam, not Nasuem[edit]

"...which stages the story ad nasuem..." is incorrect; the term is "ad nauseam." If the word is misspelled in the passage being quoted, there should be a [sic] after "nasuem." ~~Mpaniello~~

citations needed[edit]

"Hussein's rule was a repressive dictatorship[12] notorious for it's human rights abuses." You cite that he was a dictator but not that he was notorious for human rights abuses. While it may seem obvious (sic) to westerners it needs a solid citation. -thanks

Restored summary of Anfal campaign to lede[edit]

I restored the following sentence on the Anfal campaign which had been removed a month ago by @Mteiritay in this revision: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saddam_Hussein&diff=prev&oldid=1209898155.

> At the end of the war he carried out brutal Anfal campaign against Kurds, recognized by HRW as an act of genocide.

It was removed for lacking a source, but none of the lede in this article is sourced inline, it all summarises the article itself. The sources in question are these: https://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2006/08/14/genocide-iraq-anfal-campaign-against-kurds and https://www.hrw.org/reports/1993/iraqanfal/. Fedjmike (talk) 22:25, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 7 April 2024[edit]

Saddam Hussein won an award for eradicating literacy instead of establishing public health systems (per https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000030840 , page 3) - suggest changing "Within just a few years, Iraq was providing social services that were unprecedented among Middle Eastern countries. Saddam established and controlled the "National Campaign for the Eradication of Illiteracy" and the campaign for "Compulsory Free Education in Iraq", and largely under his auspices, the government established universal free schooling up to the highest education levels; hundreds of thousands learned to read in the years following the initiation of the program. The government also supported families of soldiers, granted free hospitalization to everyone, and gave subsidies to farmers. Iraq created one of the most modernized public-health systems in the Middle East, earning Saddam an award from the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO)." to "Within just a few years, Iraq was providing social services that were unprecedented among Middle Eastern countries. Saddam established and controlled the "National Campaign for the Eradication of Illiteracy" and the campaign for "Compulsory Free Education in Iraq", and largely under his auspices, the government established universal free schooling up to the highest education levels; hundreds of thousands learned to read in the years following the initiation of the program. This would lead to Saddam receiving a UNESCO literacy prize in 1972. The government also supported families of soldiers, granted free hospitalization to everyone, and gave subsidies to farmers; in this, Iraq created one of the most modernized public-health systems in the Middle East." (Political Program section paragraph 5) Sdoww (talk) 23:39, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 08:55, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coughlin harv errors[edit]

While doing other article cleanup, I noticed three harv errors pointing to a Coughlin source that I think were introduced last summer. I'm not sure of the best way to clean them up. Perhaps someone really skilled with this could tackle it? Thanks. Stefen Towers among the rest! GabGruntwerk 05:59, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you DuncanHill for fixing these! Stefen Towers among the rest! GabGruntwerk 03:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source 122 repeatedly used, better citations needed[edit]

Source 122 constantly referenced and it looks like it's used to heavily favour Saddam and improve his image. HusseinT2000 (talk) 04:45, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rehaul Iran-Iraq war reason at the start of the wikipage[edit]

The start of the page overly demonizes Saddam, and attempts to make the whole reason of the Iran-Iraq war as a war for land, and for oil. Even thou, many historians, book-writers, Iranian Generals, Iraqi Generals, and even saddam himself all deny saddam wanting to gain land in kuzehstan, Saddam had already attempted to establish formal ties with Khomeini, which has been noted in the iran-iraq war wikipage, Saddam hussein had also offered peace multiple times, which is not mentioned in the start of the wiki, all the wiki says is that "Saddam ordered the 1980 invasion of Iran in a purported effort to capture Iran's Arab-majority Khuzistan province and thwart Iranian attempts to export their own 1979 revolution. The Iran–Iraq War ended after nearly eight years in a ceasefire after a gruelling stalemate that cost somewhere around a million lives and economic losses of $561 billion in Iraq." Which makes saddam look like a warmonger, even thou it was ayatollah khomeini who was warmongering, and attempting to start a conflict with Iraq, saddam offered peace 2 weeks into the Iran-Iraq war, when iraq had succeded in its attempts to stop the spread of iranian influence, and stop the contintious raids by khomeini's-forces, but that is not mentioned here, aswell as the 1982 peace-offer, Khomeini refused to accept peace. The page should establish the true motives of the Iran-Iraq war, and showcase khomeini's warmongering, and refusal for peace. This part of the article seems way to bias for Iran, and makes Iraq look at fault for the war, and makes Saddam look like a manic who wanted to conqueror everything around him. I had rewritten that part of the article, included 3-4 sources, which were all trusted sources, and mostly archieved footage, which can not be discredited. I also included quotes and sections of western books, Instead of reverting my well-sourced edit, i would like this to be debated, and then eventually reverted back to my edit. Imperial Tsar (talk) 22:34, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Imperial Tsar, I reverted your edit to the lede summary because it introduced novel claims to the lede not found in the article body, violated summary style with a blockquote from Ruhollah Khomeini (who is not the subject of this article), and was poorly-sourced, relying primarily on an unreliable YouTube video and a dated 1987 journal article by an author whom contemporaneous U.S. officials cited to justify their policy of United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War in order to advance a minority view that Iraq's September 1980 invasion of Iran was a preemptive war. (Nita M. Renfrew, the author of the 1987 Foreign Policy article in question, herself acknowledges that she is advancing a minority, revisionist view on the origin of the conflict, even by the standards of 1987: "[A]lthough Americans revile Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini's Iran, they also have little sympathy for Iraq, which they believe started the war. ... The truth, however, is that, although organized units of the Iraqi army were the first to cross the Iran–Iraq border on September 22, 1980, Iran started the war.")
The Iraqi claim of preemption (which is a very high bar for any state to meet) has not garnered significant traction in recent academic studies, nor been recognized as valid under the United Nations System. (To the contrary, UN Secretary-General Javier Pérez de Cuéllar is quoted stating that "the attack of 22 September 1980 against Iran ... cannot be justified under the charter of the United Nations, any recognized rules and principles of international law or any principles of international morality and entails the responsibility for the conflict. Even if before the outbreak of the conflict there had been some encroachment by Iran on Iraqi territory, such encroachment did not justify Iraq's aggression against Iran—which was followed by Iraq's continuous occupation of Iranian territory during the conflict—in violation of the prohibition of the use of force, which is regarded as one of the rules of jus cogens.") The long-standing lede summary's presentation of the facts is straightforward, neutral, and still mentions Iraq's "purported effort to ... thwart Iranian attempts to export their own 1979 revolution," without veering off-topic into a partisan screed. As such, I would oppose WP:BOLD changes to the lede summary without prior talk page consensus, and encourage you to focus first on improving the article body.
By the way, for a more recent academic study based largely on declassified Iraqi archives, I recommend The Iran–Iraq War: A Military and Strategic History, which provides the following summary of the events leading to open warfare between Iran and Iraq:
  • "Another [July 1980 Iraqi intelligence] report indicated: 'We expect more deterioration of the general situation of Iran's fighting capability. It is probable it will send other troops to the Kurdish region to confront the armed Kurds. Moreover, the shortage of spare parts and the continuation of the general dislocation and contradiction will lead to the continuous decline in combat capability. ... [I]t is clear that, at present, Iran has no power to launch wide offensive operations against Iraq, or to defend on a large scale.' .. On 7 September 1980, Iraq accused Iran of shelling Iraqi villages in the territories of Zain al-Qaws and Saïf Saad on 4 September 1980. Iraq demanded that the Iranian forces in those territories evacuate and return the villages to Iraq. Tehran gave no reply. Iraqi forces then moved to 'liberate' the villages, and on 10 September announced that its forces had done so in a short, sharp military engagement. ... On 14 September 1980, Iran announced it would no longer abide by the 1975 Algiers Agreement. Given the scene that was set, it was no surprise that on 17 September, five days before the invasion, Iraq declared the accords null and void. ... On 22 September, Iraqi units crossed the frontier. ... Interestingly, the Iranians, despite their jabbing at Saddam with scurrilous propaganda and a terrorist campaign, appear to have discounted the possibility that the Iraqis would actually attack them. Therefore, they made no serious military preparations."—Murray, Williamson; Woods, Kevin M. (2014). "A context of 'bitterness and anger'". The Iran–Iraq War: A Military and Strategic History. Cambridge University Press. pp. 59-63 (e-book, page numbers approximate). ISBN 9781107062290.
Of course, I welcome any feedback from page watchers. Regards,TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 02:29, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]