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Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2024
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I request for where It says "African Americans constitute the third largest racial or ethnic group in the U.S after White Americans and Hispanic and Latino Americans" to be changed to "African Americans constitute the third largest racial or ethnic group in the U.S after European Americans and Hispanic and Latino Americans" because if Black Americans are called "African Americans" then White Americans should be called "European Americans". Can you please make that edit, thank you. 81.137.207.239 (talk) 13:18, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: Wikipedia follows the terms used by reliable sources, and the citation on this line does not contain the word European. European American is not a commonly-used term in this context, so we should stick to terms that more people will understand. Jamedeus (talk) 01:01, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 2 September 2024
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Where it says "Most African Americans", it should say "Some" African Americans... 83.255.180.32 (talk) 20:50, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
- Not done "Most" is obviously correct. Rsk6400 (talk) 06:34, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 29 September 2024
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Hispanic or Latino group is 18.7% while African-Americans or Blacks are 12.1% according to the 2020 census. 96.246.86.51 (talk) 03:49, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
African-Americans or Blacks as the 2nd largest ethnic group in the U.S. is categorically and emphatically incorrect. Please correct.
- Not done: I understand your confusion, however African-Americans are a specific, singular ethno-racial group as measured by the US census, whereas "Hispanic or Latino" is an umbrella category used to measure a multiplicity of ethnicities and races that fall under it. I hope this clears some things up. Glass Snow (talk) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
Last sentence of lede (again)
[edit]The end of the lede currently reads:
The term "African American" generally denotes descendants of Africans enslaved in the United States.[1][2]
There was previously a citation to a source from Martin & Fabes that specified that African-Americans had to be descendants of people enslaved specifically within the United States, but I WP:BOLDly removed that source as Martin & Fabes is an introductory child development textbook, and neither of the authors claim to be experts in racial identity or anything remotely related to being a reliable source for the term "African American" (both are white psychologists, one specialized in gender identity, the other in children's relationships). I moved up another source from later in the article that talks about the introduction of the phrase, but neither it nor the remaining Locke and Bailey source specify that the ancestors have to have been enslaved within the United States. Therefore, I am proposing changing the sentence to:
The term "African American" generally denotes American descendants of those taken from Africa as part of the Atlantic slave trade.[1][2]
Since this sentence has been the subject of a few discussions here in the past, I wanted to bring this to the talk page first.
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Please add back Louisiana Creole French Under Languages
[edit]I noticed it has been removed without explanation and as an LA Creole myself this is an important aspect of AA Heritage and culture that has been wiped from the page. it has been there for a decade and was only removed this year. 66.163.89.16 (talk) 21:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- According to the Wiki, there are only 77 thousand native speakers.
- Even if all of them are African American (which is highly unlikely) it would constitute a very tiny minority of African Americans. It's removal probably has to do with that.
- Inclusions of such minorities of <0.1% for a language, amongst other topics, would clutter the article. Gelbom (talk) 02:17, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- It was only listed under the languages tab on the side, so the argument of it cluttering the article makes no sense. Also, a Louisiana Creole cuisine is a language of African-American people from people that are of Louisiana Creole Heritage. It seems like you are not very educated on this topic respectfully, but I don’t expect many people to really know about our history as LA Creoles. My reason for saying this was a lack of understanding made apparent to me in your first few sentences when you say you doubt that All of these speakers are African-American, when it is quite literally language of that group, a specific cultural heritage within African-American people. It’s a part of the diversity of AA people based on regional heritage and history.
- By the same logic you’ve used, Gullah Geechee should be removed as well because it’s an incredibly tiny fraction of African-American people based on regional cultural heritage, but it still is a part of it which is why it’s listed. This is why they both were listed side-by-side until February of this year. Again is erasure of the diversity of African-American people. 65.43.209.212 (talk) 03:17, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- My bad. I got redirected to Louisiana French. This language has only 10,000 speakers according to wiki. Which would probably mean there are over 100 languages with more speakers in the African American community.
- Unless African American is to mean those largely decendant from United States black slaves imported to the US over 150 years ago, it might reduce speakers above 10k to 50 langauges. That is still a long list.
- I suppose however that the language having it's genesis among American blacks does merit its mention however. So I suppose I am inclined to support your decision.
- (Also according to the wiki lede, it has other racial groups speaking it. This seems like a shoehorn but I'm inclined to believe not everyone of these 10k people are black.) Gelbom (talk) 21:38, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Wiki Education assignment: Black American Music F24
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— Assignment last updated by JsWai (talk) 19:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Change title to Black Americans?
[edit]Since this post is talking about Black Americans, to the exclusion of North Africans, should the title not be Black Americans? Captchacatcher (talk) 18:33, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- WP:COMMONNAME applies. African American is far more popular than Black American based on this Ngrams search. SKAG123 (talk) 05:13, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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