Talk:Albert II, Prince of Monaco

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Renamed[edit]

renamed to follow wikipedia naming conventions. FearÉIREANN 22:26 28 May 2003 (UTC)

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Use of surname[edit]

An edit war has now begun to assert that "Grimaldi" should be added where the prince's full name is given. There is no reliable source for that and I will revert it again tomorrow unless a good reason is given here not to. SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:27, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This also affects other members of the House of Grimaldi, who had the removal of "Grimaldi" reverted. 2601:249:9301:D570:38CF:2358:328E:C8EF (talk) 13:31, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Britannica gives Prince Albert's full name including the surname. Векочел (talk) 16:56, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

His government does not. That, to me, is what we go by. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 09:15, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Except when it does. I do not think we should mislead readers into thinking that Albert and his family do not have a surname. Surtsicna (talk) 09:25, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"illegitimate" children[edit]

The article currently has a header Relationships and illegitimate children. Referring to children as illegitimate is biased -- they are legitimately children -- and quite dated, as children born outside of wedlock are quite standard these days. (Just as an example: the first child on the list was born in the US, where 40% of children are born outside of wedlock.) There is absolutely no reason to be demeaning the children in this manner, for events that they had no control over. May I suggest Non-marital relationships and resulting children as a header instead? Or possibly simply Paternity claims? -- Nat Gertler (talk) 23:57, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. "There are no illegitimate children – only illegitimate parents". (Leon Rene Yankwich) -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 00:02, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Without objection, I changed it to Paternity claims. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 23:29, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well done! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:55, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Billionaire[edit]

I just had to eliminate one of the sources used to establish his US$1 billion + evaluation, as it was a WP:FORBESCON article and thus not usable on a WP:BLP. I do not have Forbes access, so I cannot tell which of the information in the statement is referenced there. However, this evaluation is a problem, as it is greater than a decade old and thus cannot be trusted for the current situation. (I did put a date on it.) This also brings into question his inclusion in Category:Monegasque billionaires, as even if the more-than-a-billion evaluation stands, it is possible for him not to be a Monegasque billionaires because Monaco is based not on the dollar but the more-valuable euro, and it is possible he is worth less than a billion euros. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 00:42, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've not managed to catch the details on the new page before the paywall block popped up, and it evaluated him at a flat $1 billion. One might guess he gained money in the ensuing years, and thus qualify as a euro-billionaire, but guesses ain't factses. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 01:40, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]