Talk:Bon Scott

Nationality, Australian vs Scottish vs Scottish Born

Nationality discussions

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Death section

Too long, too many huge chunks lifted from Fink's book. Needs summarising. Bretonbanquet (talk) 20:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I am the person who added some stuff just yesterday in an attempt to add some balance to a section hijacked by a conspiracy theory and immediately it's been amended again and turned into an even worse circus of tit-for-tat argument that is a travesty to both Bon Scott and Wiki and in good time enough I will return to it and try to get some balance back into it again. Wiki needs a mediator to sort this out Veracitiesplus (talk) 02:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

No, respectfully, you've replaced it with a biased word salad. You might disagree with Fink's analysis and conclusion but he has gone to the people who were there and published their quotes in his book. Did Walker speak to these people? Can you clarify? Bretonbanquet, I agree the Death section is long but this is obviously an important topic.

Veracitiesplus, you haven't made proper attributions to published sources. You have written statements such as “painting a vivid picture of the somewhat dissolute lifestyle Scott led on the edges of the London smack scene – but it was emphatic that while Scott was an alcoholic, he was not a co-dependent heroin user” and “but Chapman and Way, now both dead, were unreliable witnesses as memory-depleted heroin addicts, and they changed their story on numerous occasions over the years since first telling Mark Putterford in the early Nineties that they understandably couldn’t remember the night in question.”

This is your analysis. According to whom? Who says they’re unreliable? When did those stories change and how? What year or years did this take place? In the first edit you made you said they told their stories to Paul Stenning. Now in the second edit you made it’s Mark Putterford. Where? When? Add detail.

You also write glibly “the accounts of the eyewitnesses that make up the generally accepted version of events”. Again, who are they, how are the "generally accepted"? You then elect to delete the accounts of Zena and Koala Kakoulli, as well as the admission by Perrett and what he thought happened to Scott. Why? They are relevant to the topic: Scott's death. These are rightfully reinstated.

Also you cannot describe people as “music smack personages". Iris Foxglove (talk) 19:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Correction: Koulla. Was autocorrected. Iris Foxglove (talk) 20:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

sorry Iris Foxglove but yr whole position is just so wrong-headed. I put in a correction that is a neutral summarised explication as Wiki requires, and now it's reverted back to almost a dramatic account that is incoherent and inconsistent within itself but worst of all paying lip service to a conspiracy theory. All my attributions and citations are in place, and internal logic answers yr questions. It's a failure of comprehension. Yes Jesse Fink spoke to some people Walker didn't, the Kakoulkis et al but they all said, No, never actually saw Scott taking heroin, but he might have. Speculation, opinion. the UFO guys unreliable witness as this account says because they were junkies and, umm, junkies are not known for their powers of recall are they? this account describes in itself how they changed their stories. Failure of comprehension. Stunning was a mistake, it was Puttterford and that was corrected. I'm not going to remain doing this tit for tat argument but will be seeking advice from some sort of higher up at Wiki if such a thing exists Veracitiesplus (talk) 23:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

It wasn't a "neutral summarised explication". You've called it yourself a "conspiracy theory", multiple times. You dismiss accounts from people because they are or were "junkies". Does that mean anyone who has ever used heroin or other drugs cannot be quoted in Wikipedia? What about Keith Richards? What about Nikki Sixx? Do we apply a blanket ban on quotes on people who have used drugs in the past? Who makes the determination that they're reliable or not? You? You might not subscribe to the idea Scott had anything to do with heroin, but Fink presents accounts from three people who were there that night who believe he used heroin and that is why he died. That is highly relevant to the topic: Scott's death. Your edit was poorly referenced – the statement "Walker’s updated 2023 book portrays Scott as moving in drug-heavy circles, but the author maintains that he was not in a co-dependent relationship with either heroin or any of his friends who used the drug; and also maintains there is no hard evidence of a heroin overdose" - is still in the text and there is no citation. A citation is needed. What is new in Walker's update? Has he investigated Scott's death? The edit as it stands is neutral. Iris Foxglove (talk) 09:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

I cite's Walker's position that Bon had occasionally taken heroin but wasn't a user. The UFO guys CHANGED their story over the years. The other people Fink spoke all said they didn't actually see Bon take any heroin. He COULD have, MIGHT have, but that's not the same as doing it. The coroner found no drugs. so where is the hard evidence? But I can't keep arguing this. Just take a look at the note from wiki itself now at the top of the page, this style of entry is wrong and the info is misleading Veracitiesplus (talk) 23:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)