Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion
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Miscellany for deletion (MfD) is a place where Wikipedians decide what should be done with problematic pages in the namespaces which aren't covered by other specialized deletion discussion areas. Items sent here are usually discussed for seven days; then they are either deleted by an administrator or kept, based on community consensus as evident from the discussion, consistent with policy, and with careful judgment of the rough consensus if required.
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Information on the process[edit]
What may be nominated for deletion here:
- Pages not covered by other XFD venues, including pages in these namespaces: Draft:, Help:, Portal:, MediaWiki:, Wikipedia: (including WikiProjects), User:, TimedText: and the various Talk: namespaces
- Userboxes (regardless of namespace)
- Pages in the File namespace that have a local description page but no local file (if there is a local file, Wikipedia:Files for discussion is the right venue)
- Any other page, that is not in article space, where there is dispute as to the correct XfD venue.
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Please familiarize yourself with the following policies[edit]
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – our deletion policy that describes how we delete things by consensus
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- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – a how-to guide whose protocols on discussion format and shorthands also apply here
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To list a page for deletion, follow this three-step process: (replace PageName with the name of the page, including its namespace, to be deleted) Note: Users must be logged in to complete step II. An unregistered user who wishes to nominate a page for deletion should complete step I and post their reasoning on Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion with a notification to a registered user to complete the process.
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Archived discussions[edit]
A list of archived discussions can be located at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Archived debates.
Current discussions[edit]
- Pages currently being considered for deletion are indexed by the day on which they were first listed. Please place new listings at the top of the section for the current day. If no section for the current day is present, please start a new section.
June 19, 2024[edit]
Talk:List of Belgians[edit]
Too broad per WP:SALAT. Has last been debated in 2006, when it was closed as no consensus. gidonb (talk) 05:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
June 17, 2024[edit]
Draft:2025 in animation[edit]
WP:NOTCRYSTAL. xq 22:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This isn't so bad, drafts are not checked for sanity. Either wait for 6 months until this gets speedied or wait until this becomes relevant in 6 months anyway... Air on White (talk) 23:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Drafts about future events that are not suitable for article space because they are either too soon or crystal balling are fine in draft space. They should be declined if they are submitted for review, and should not be deleted. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Fine as draft. If it is submitted it will be declined but there's no reason to delete it. C F A 💬 13:13, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per above. Newyorkbrad (talk) 15:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
June 15, 2024[edit]
Draft:Barbara Rosemary Grant[edit]
Subject is already covered under Peter and Rosemary Grant. As they worked together, it seems unlikely that there would be much to add to a separate article that couldn't be added to their joint article. Snowman304|talk 18:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: WP:Drafts are not checked for notability or sanity. Curbon7 (talk) 20:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Peter and Rosemary Grant or Merge into Peter and Rosemary Grant. After two cursory reviews, it is not obvious to me whether the draft contains any information that is not in the existing article. If it does, that information should be merged into the article, and then the draft title should be redirected to the article. If there is no new information in this draft, the draft should be redirected to the article. Drafts are not deleted because an article exists. Nominating a draft for deletion because an article exists is a common good-faith error, so Speedy Redirection has been established to deal with these situations. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, this one is not so obvious an accidental content fork. Refer to Talk:Peter and Rosemary Grant as that’s the appropriate place to decide. Do not mandate a redirect from MfD. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:42, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep unless drafts suffer from severe issues like hoaxes, copyvios, vandalism or promotion (in which case they would have probably been speedied anyway), nominating them for deletion is a waste of time. Just wait 6 months until they get automatically deleted. Air on White (talk) 23:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, but the creator should consider and address the input provided above. Newyorkbrad (talk) 15:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
June 14, 2024[edit]
Wikipedia:Piccadilly[edit]
WP:NOTSOCIALMEDIA. WikiProjects are "advertised" at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals, and there's already places for discussing the topics listed, such as WP:TH, WP:HD, and WP:VP. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, WPPicadilly is NOT a help desk. As i stated, its a place to advertise pages and wikiprojects. and you said advertised in quotation, thus it is not really that elligble to be deleted. WPPicadilly is only in its early stages too. Snipertron12 Talk 11:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Why would advertising pages be needed? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Some pages dont get enough attention and sometimes are even overlooked by wikiprojects. Snipertron12 Talk 12:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- You know what. Im changing the premise of WPPicadilly. Snipertron12 Talk 12:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't that what Wikipedia:Articles for improvement is for? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- I will look at the article when im at home because im on a school computer that gets filtered alot. Snipertron12 Talk 12:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Alright. The diffrence from Articles for improvement and Picadilly is that AFI is focusing on ranked articles which are lengthy. Piccadilly aims on new pages/stubs/drafts. Snipertron12 Talk 16:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- I will look at the article when im at home because im on a school computer that gets filtered alot. Snipertron12 Talk 12:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Some pages dont get enough attention and sometimes are even overlooked by wikiprojects. Snipertron12 Talk 12:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Why would advertising pages be needed? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- I added a notice to prevent confusion. Snipertron12 Talk 12:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think User:Snipertron12 is trying to make Wikipedia:Piccadilly a Wikiproject. Ned1a Wanna talk? 14:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: There are many ways to bring attention to articles needing different kinds of improvement. This seems entirely redundant. -- D'n'B-t -- 14:17, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Serves no valid purpose. Maproom (talk) 14:59, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Currently, it serves no "valid purpose" as it was created JUST today. Snipertron12 Talk 16:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. You know theres a Wikipedia:Articles for improvement right? Ned1a Wanna talk? 15:03, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Again, the diffrence from AFI is that it focuses on newer pages and not older ones. Snipertron12 Talk 16:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Creating Piccadilly to bring attention to the only article you contributed to (Kasane Teto) is self-serving. David notMD (talk) 16:59, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Im not aiming for self-serving, Im opening up other oppourtunities, however, i am yet to nominate them as there are no communnity members. Snipertron12 Talk 19:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- As i said multiple times, Piccadilly wasnt made to promote the Teto article, it was made as a faster way to bring attention to new stub articles. Snipertron12 Talk 19:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Snipertron12 Seriously? We have destubathons for a reason. This is clearly self serving, you literally write the word “I” in places like “I made this because I didn’t get the help I wanted” Like Just ask the associated wikiproject to destub it. xq 23:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - underbaked project with no clear purpose as evidenced by the creator stating above
You know what. Im changing the premise of WPPicadilly.
-- Whpq (talk) 14:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC) - Delete , pointless project with vague justifications given for its existence. Ratnahastin (talk)
- Delete. Why does this exist? Idk. xq 23:19, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Pointless - there are already so many places to ask for help like the Teahouse, WikiProjects, AFI, etc. This project has no clear purpose either, and is likely to either become inactive or another burdensome backlog to add to the already enormous backlog of NPP and AfC. Air on White (talk) 23:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above Babysharkboss2 was here!! Dr. Wu is NOT a Doctor! 16:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
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Please read Wikipedia:Piccadilly#EXPLANATION. - Snipertron12 Talk 18:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- So my understanding of WPPicadilly is that it's meant to bring attention to brand-new, especially small articles for the purpose of.... Jumpstarting their growth?
- My understanding of Wikipedia is that articles are not meant to grow progressively in perpetuity, but only until all the information about their topic has been covered. So articles where there isn't much to say about the topic are classified as "stubs" because that is the maximum amount of information that is available, verifiable, notable, etc.
- Also, if someone has taken it upon themselves to create an article (and "raise" it until it's a full article, so to speak), then why couldn't they just ask for advice on Teahouse or have it listed in other areas of Wikipedia for improvement? It seems like there's already systems in place for people to help jumpstart growth in their article. Teahouse gets plenty of exposure, so if people are generally unable or unwilling to help, it is likely due to a lack of knowledge or of interest, neither of which is solvable through the mechanisms of Wikipedia. The only real way to get around this is by reaching out to individuals you already know are interested, whether they're on wikipedia or not. If it's for general formatting, etc. then posing it as specific questions is more likely to get people interested in helping as opposed to asking for "general feedback/help". Specific questions generally win out over general questions in most situations.
- So while this could be useful for a very small number of people just getting started on articles about very in-depth topics with a lot of information to cover, but which not many people are interested in (which likely doesn't happen very often I believe), and I think it's commendable to try and help out people in any context, it seems that WPPicadilly is ultimately useless.
- WPPicadilly also seems like a user trying to take things into their own hands because they felt slighted. While an understandable feeling, actions taken for this reason are usually not productive.
- To be quite honest, this entire situation just reminds me of this meme. Iloveschiaparelli (talk) 04:32, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Lol this is like Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Department_of_Fun but the opposite. Ned1a Wanna talk? 15:02, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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i've litreally put the founding article back as it gained intrest by non-piccadillians. At this point too I'm slowly losing hope for this project. No one actually gave this project a shot and decided to clown on me just because i had to clean alot of things up. I dont mean any harm. im sorry. Snipertron12 Talk 05:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Piccadilly has shut down. are you happy now? - Snipertron12 Talk 05:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ping @User:CanonNi @User:Nedia020415 @User:DandelionAndBurdock @User:Maproom @User:David_notMD @User:48JCL @User:Whpq @User:Ratnahastin @User:Air on White — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snipertron12 (talk • contribs) 05:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why you pinged everyone, but could the page be tagged with {{g7}}, now that it's "shut down"? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 06:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- An alternative is to move this to your userspace and then G7 the redirect left in wikispace. Air on White (talk) 06:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Im not gonna remove the page due to it now being a notice page. Snipertron12 Talk 07:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why you pinged everyone, but could the page be tagged with {{g7}}, now that it's "shut down"? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 06:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
June 13, 2024[edit]
User:Wesalius/model[edit]
The predicted date for reaching 7 million articles will likely be inaccurate. Also, it will just keep changing every day, so we will never know exactly when Wikipedia will reach 7 million articles. So, such predictions are pointless and this user subpage (transcluded at User:Wbm1058) should be deleted. GTrang (talk) 14:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - a user subpage speculating on when 7m articles is reached is related to Wikipedia and a valid use of user space. So what if the prediction is inaccurate. And what of its transclusion? If the user who transcluded it wants it there, what of it? -- Whpq (talk) 18:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Nothing wrong with having a little counter gadget in one's own userspace. I'd equate it to creating a little clock display for current time in two time zones which I see fairly regularly. It's in the user's userspace, not harming anything, has no code syntax errors, and to the best of my knowledge, is not causing hardly any server load, so no justifiable reason to remove it. Accuracy/sources are not required in userspace, so why care if it's inaccurate? Zinnober9 (talk) 00:59, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - There were similar projections when we were approaching 6 million. No policy-based reason to delete, and maintaining interest in the seven million goal is a common sense reason to keep. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: In userspace, relevant-ish to the project. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 00:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Within the bounds of what we allow in userspace. Curbon7 (talk) 20:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Established contributors are allowed to keep false predictions or fringe opinions in their userspace. Air on White (talk) 23:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, what about the 8,000,000 article template? That'd be one going for the gold! Randy Kryn (talk) 00:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
June 12, 2024[edit]
Draft:2020 Carolina Panthers Schedule With Time And Date[edit]
- Draft:2020 Carolina Panthers Schedule With Time And Date (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
"Draft" is nothing but a table of unverifiable data with entries intended for the timing of the team's actions for "Taking Shower And Shave Their Face", "Put Deodorant On And Brushing Their Teeth", "Getting Dressed", "Leaving At The Stadium", "Eating Lunch", "Eating Snack"... "Taking Medicine, Pills, And Drugs". All trivial, and unverifiable intentions unfit for Wikipedia. 4 of 4 drafts. Zinnober9 (talk) 21:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - These pages are probably some sort of Stupid Copies, either from Wikipedia or from another web site. They are not exactly word salad, but are no more useful than word salad, which is deleted as G1 nonsense, and so they should also be deleted. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Ratnahastin (talk) 06:07, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Draft:2020 Appalachian State Mountaineers Schedule With Time And Date[edit]
- Draft:2020 Appalachian State Mountaineers Schedule With Time And Date (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
"Draft" is nothing but a table of unverifiable data with entries intended for the timing of the team's actions for "Taking Shower And Shave Their Face", "Put Deodorant On And Brushing Their Teeth", "Getting Dressed", "Leaving At The Stadium", "Eating Lunch", "Eating Snack"... "Taking Medicine, Pills, And Drugs". All trivial, and unverifiable intentions unfit for Wikipedia. 3 of 4 drafts. Zinnober9 (talk) 21:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - These pages are probably some sort of Stupid Copies, either from Wikipedia or from another web site. They are not exactly word salad, but are no more useful than word salad, which is deleted as G1 nonsense, and so they should also be deleted. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Draft:2020 All Teams Schedule With Time And Date[edit]
- Draft:2020 All Teams Schedule With Time And Date (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
"Draft" is nothing but a table of unverifiable data with entries intended for the timing of the team's actions for "Taking Shower And Shave Their Face", "Put Deodorant On And Brushing Their Teeth", "Getting Dressed", "Leaving At The Stadium", "Eating Lunch", "Eating Snack"... "Taking Medicine, Pills, And Drugs". All trivial, and unverifiable intentions unfit for Wikipedia. 2 of 4 drafts. Zinnober9 (talk) 21:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - These pages are probably some sort of Stupid Copies, either from Wikipedia or from another web site. They are not exactly word salad, but are no more useful than word salad, which is deleted as G1 nonsense, and so they should also be deleted. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Draft:2020 Charlotte 49ers Schedule With Time And Date[edit]
- Draft:2020 Charlotte 49ers Schedule With Time And Date (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) – (View MfD)
"Draft" is nothing but a table of unverifiable data with entries intended for the timing of the team's actions for "Taking Shower And Shave Their Face", "Put Deodorant On And Brushing Their Teeth", "Getting Dressed", "Leaving At The Stadium", "Eating Lunch", "Eating Snack"... "Taking Medicine, Pills, And Drugs". All trivial, and unverifiable intentions unfit for Wikipedia. 1 of 4 drafts. Zinnober9 (talk) 21:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - These pages are probably some sort of Stupid Copies, either from Wikipedia or from another web site. They are not exactly word salad, but are no more useful than word salad, which is deleted as G1 nonsense, and so they should also be deleted. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Old business[edit]
Everything below this point is old business; the 7-day review period that began 05:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC) ended today on 19 June 2024. Editors may continue to add comments until the discussion is closed but they should keep in mind that the discussion below this marker may be closed at any time without further notice. Discussions that have already been closed will be removed from the page automatically by Legobot and need no further action. |
June 6, 2024[edit]
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:9t5 User Page Contest |
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The result of the discussion was: Userfy. Whpq (talk) 23:49, 18 June 2024 (UTC) Wikipedia:9t5 User Page Contest[edit]
Because of WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK, and because the page does not meet any of the criteria listed as appropriate under Wikipedia:Project namespace#Pages within project namespace. Possibly also because of WP:NOTHERE, as it seems to provide monetary incentives for users to do something else using Wikipedia's platform other than improve the encyclopedia. Maybe a request at some central forum to create something like this and demonstrate community support for it might overcome some of these objections, but I don't know that this is supportable coming from an individual initiative. If this were commonly replicated by other users, or even if this one initiative attracted wide participation it seems like it could hurt the goal of the encyclopedia. Mathglot (talk) 15:55, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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