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why the move?[edit]

I don't understand the need for a move of this page. Is the artist really so famous that they're likely to be confused with a well-publicized, well sold album? Usually disambiguation pages are reserved for really complex subjects with 3-5 or more possible targets, and simpler cases can be handled with two "For the artist/album, see..." links on the album/artist pages.

I just don't see the need, and I don't see any discussion to speak of. Maybe I missed something, though... -- nae'blis _(talk) 09:44, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Death Metal[edit]

Shouldn't death metal be added as a genre? The album to me sounds like a mixture of death metal and groove metal. Also Ian Christe's book Sound of the Beast: The Complete Headbanging History of Heavy Metal, lists Chaos A.D. on the death metal page. 68.103.160.33 (talk) 17:59, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. I had already talked this over with another Wikipedian, RandySavageFTW.

The Don Kaye liner notes of Arise stated that Sepultura's fourth LP is the pinnacle of their death/thrash phase. Now, if Chaos A.D. sold way more than Arise, why is it not considered the pinnacle of their death/thrash instead? Maybe because they changed their style... And, by the way, the music press at the time certainly held that as true. According to the official Sepultura biography [1], they stated that Chaos A.D. helped Sepultura transcend the death/thrash style (Barcinski & Gomes, page 131).

Furthermore, if we compare Chaos A.D. with some landmark death metal releases at the time, it surely sounds way different from them. I mean, would you honestly say that Chaos A.D. fits neatly alongside Morbid Angel's Covenant? Or Deicide's Legion? Obituary's The End Complete? Cannibal Corpse's The Bleeding? Or is really closer to Pantera's Vulgar Display of Power, Biohazard's Urban Discipline or even Helmet's Meantime, all three sources of inspiration for Chaos A.D.?

There's way too much industrial and hardcore punk influences for Chaos A.D. to be truly considered death metal. "True" death metal is too orthodox for such experiments. Musicaindustrial (talk) 00:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

i think industrial death metal should be one of the genres.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.32.220.148 (talk) 12:57, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You could say that of the defunct Nailbomb, Max Cavalera's side-project with Fudge Tunnel's Alex Newport. CalmonTellechea (talk) 12:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Roots has two different references for it being death metal. If Roots can be labeled as such I really don't see why Chaos A.D. can't when its clearly more in that style? 174.238.64.252 (talk)

We need specific sources per album to have it listed in the infobox. Try to do more thorough research to see what critics discuss this album as. We don't post original research and genre is subjective, so it's not up to us to decide what the genre should or should not be. Andrzejbanas (talk) 04:27, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The only thing vaguely "death metal" about Roots is the album's low guitar tuning - standard B, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, death metal and grindcore bands have been using low tunings from the start: Death (D), Napalm Death (D), Autopsy (C), Carcass (B), Morbid Angel (Eb), Obituary (D), Bolt Thrower (A), Entombed (C), Suffocation (Db) etc. Sepultura were pretty much aware of these low tunings, and for a long time. Remember: they followed closely the death metal scene, being one of it's prime instigators. And yet... they never deviated from their standard E tuning. The true inspiration for Roots's change in tuning came - admittedly - from Korn. So, nu metal. In that sense, Deftones, Limp Bizkit, System of a Down and Slipknot also used low tunings. Doesn't mean they're death metal either. CalmonTellechea (talk) 12:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly cannot stand the bureaucracy involved with citing vague sources from music 'critics' who don't fully understand what they're talking about. If we're going to refer to the 'allmusic' guide for 'death metal' then at least refer to the album as 'alternative metal' since that's the 'top style' for the allmusic page. Nonetheless, if you simply Google 'Sepultura "groove metal" you'll find references from fans, reviewers, metal critics about how it's a 'post-thrash' or 'groove metal' album evolved from their primitive thrash/death origins. And in addition - listen to an album like Morbid Angel 'Altars Of Madness' and see how the characteristics fit the descriptions on the 'death metal' wiki page rather than the 'groove metal' wiki page, then likewise see how Chaos AD fits the 'groove metal' characteristics. It's absolutely idiotic to rely on incorrect facts from an individual person rather than obvious common sense. A collective on rateyourmusic.com have voted the genre majority as 'groove metal', it sounds like groove metal to me and many other actual metal listeners, it's a groove metal album! End of story. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.109.233.82 (talk) 08:56, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Genre is WP:SUBJECTIVE, whether you or I agree on it or not is not up to us. I appreciate your attempts to find sources, but I it doesn't give any right to remove previously cited material. Your material doesn't say the album is "groove metal" as you insist, but I've added what it does say to the articles style section. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:41, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Page move[edit]

This needs to be moved to Chaos A.D., no need for dab. RandySavageFTW (talk) 22:59, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reference[edit]

If you want a reference for death metal just look at Allmusic, Ian Christe's heavy metal or Daniel's the encyclopedia of heavy metal. 174.253.130.124 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:11, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So add those as sources if they are notable. Per WP:ALBUMS standards, we don't let the sidebar of Allmusic be a source anymore. The article even says that the group shouldn't be considered a death metal group.Andrzejbanas (talk) 11:36, 17 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

IP genre trolls .... the persistent "woe" of Wikipedia :( Mr Pyles (talk) 21:18, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Take 2[edit]

Before adding genres, could people clarify with a source how it's added. We need sources specific to this album before we add sources to it per WP:RS, WP:OR, WP:SUBJECTIVE, WP:V. Currently the article does not have a clear set genre, so we shouldn't put anything specific in the infobox. Any further thoughts? Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:08, 26 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Groove metal[edit]

Just to let you guys know, I've added groove metal to the genre box and referenced it.-Teh Thrasher (talk) 08:18, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]