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Can someone with more skill than I please fix the picture reference in the first line? 65.96.104.82 (talk) 19:40, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

The recently created page Antaios should either be merged here or simply turned into a redirect here. - Mustafaa 04:34, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

i think that it will be redrict to antaios . because he is the same : anti /anataios /antee /antaeus ...Aziri 14:03, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I can't tell what the connection between the Greek legend and this Berber stuff is. And either way it doesn't belong at the beginning, it makes things very confusing. Also I couldn't make out how the following text related to the myth:

Pliny, quoting Euanthes, says (Hist. Nat. viii. 22) that a man of the Antaeus family was selected by lot and brought to a lake in Arcadia, where he hung his clothing on an ash tree and swam across. This resulted in his being transformed into a wolf, and he wandered in this shape nine years. Then, if he had attacked no human being, he was at liberty to swim back and resume his former shape.

Ovid IX, 184. - Mcasey666 15:39, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'll tell you: Antaios is not Greek at all. The Greeks never claimed he was Greek. with othter words he was just a Berber/Libyan giant who has been described in the Greek mythology. Read3r 12:02, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have found a few different names for the wife of Antaeus I'm not sure of which spelling does anyone have any suggestion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antaeus4179 (talk • contribs) 02:52, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The "In Popular Culture" section should include a reference to the short story entitled, "Antaeus" - which ironically, has its own listing in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antaeus_(short_story) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.20.211 (talk) 16:37, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lucan[edit]

Reference should be made to Lucan, Pharsalia, 6.589-655, the most famous treatment of the myth in Latin literature. This passage is also likely to have been Dante's source. I have found a few different names for the wife of Antaeus I'm not sure of which spelling does anyone have any suggestion?

What are the name spelling options? And can you guys sign your postsMilkStraw532 (talk) 03:07, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

Needs a source if you're going to include it but regardless it may be accurate for upper-class British English but certainly isn't for American or lower-class Britlish, both of which have more speakers. Rather than clutter the intro with a half-dozen variant pronunciations, this is one to leave for Wiktionary. WP:NOTADICTIONARY. (The other option would be a footnote going through all the variants of /iː/, /i/, /ˈeɪ/, &c. but again seems off-WP:TOPIC and WP:UNDUE. People will just pronounce it the way they feel like and none of them are correct. Even the Greek pronunciation shifted by region and over time.) — $Llywelyn II$ 05:29, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Berber treatment[edit]

Needs more details. Also, I don't want to remove it: he may very well be a local legend that got picked up interpretatio graeca-style. But it needs sourcing or we really should remove it here to the talk page. — $Llywelyn II$ 05:35, 30 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, LlywelynII. The only source given is a historical dictionary of the Berbers. But Antaeus' appearance in such a dictionary no more establishes that he figures in Berber mythology than the presence of Jupiter of Posiedon in English dictionaries says that they are part of English mythology. I think I will ask at the Reference desk --ColinFine (talk) 14:43, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, I have decided to be BOLD and simply remove them. They were added in 2004 by a user called Aziri, who doesn't seem to have edited since that year. But my reading of their contributions is that they wanted to get the Berbers in all over the place. It is evident from the dictionary they cited that Antaeus or Anti was known to the Berbers. They presented no evidence that this is anything other than the Greek story spreading, as it did all over Europe. --ColinFine (talk) 14:53, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Berbers again[edit]

I have reverted an edit by Ideophagous, claiming (again) that Antaeus was worshipped by the Berbers, and giving a reference.

In the first place Temehu is a tour operator. Their website may well be reliable for information about facilities for tourists, but not for the details of history and mythology.

Secondly, the section cited from Temehu doesn't say anything about the Berbers worshipping Antaeus. It merely reports the appendix from Orin Bates' 1914 book where he argues that the Greek artist represented the giant Antaeus as a Berber.

Thirdly, even if the claim were sourced to the (probably reliable) Bates rather then the dubious Temehu, and even if Bates said that the Berbers worshipped Antaeus (he doesn't), that would still not justify Ideophagous comment in the edit summary that "probably the Greeks took the worship from them". --ColinFine (talk) 12:41, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't want to dig too far, but here is your source. Antaeus was known as "Anti" in Berber mythology. https://books.google.de/books?id=R-wKAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA151&lpg=PA151&dq=antaeus+berber&source=bl&ots=ve4NjeMC0X&sig=ACfU3U1qUEUT3AXxUkVZANNwa3ZoELbsrQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjqj5evkKvmAhX4wMQBHVU1DfsQ6AEwBnoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=antaeus%20berber&f=false --Ideophagous (talk) 13:00, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just FYI, I have found by experience that it's often hard to find reliable sources for certain details about Berber history, especially the pre-Islamic period. Westerners are often more interested in Roman and Greek vestiges or quickly attribute cultural vestiges to Romans or Greeks, without checking if it wasn't Romanized or Hellenized native Berbers who were responsible for them or at least lent a helping hand, and native North Africans themselves, having been predominantly Arabized and Islamized are not aware or not interested, or actively do not want to associate themselves with that period. My point here is not that it's okay to exaggerate the cultural contributions of Berbers without reliable sources, but that such sources may require a more thorough search than you'd normally expect for Greek or Roman history, which are much more abundantly available. --Ideophagous (talk) 13:14, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]