Talk:Yoshitoshi Abe

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On 23 June 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Yoshitoshi ABe to Yoshitoshi Abe. The result of the discussion was Moved.

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Is that capital B in the middle of his name correct? RickK 21:02, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, that's the way he writes it. Look at this image from his webpage. Pyrop 22:04, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)

Also, the official Haibane Renmei website spells it ABe. It's not incorrect, it shows up spelled Abe a lot of the time, and really, his real name isn't Yoshitoshi ABe at all, it's 安倍吉俊, but he writes it "yoshitoshi ABe". Pyrop 22:12, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)

The lowercase y in yoshitoshi is also a running theme. The common spelling is " yoshitoshi ABe " referenced from the the Artbooks and Doujinshi 68.111.232.178 06:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 23 June 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus that the nonstandard capitalization is not sufficiently common to be retained in the article title. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:16, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yoshitoshi ABe → Yoshitoshi Abe – I'm making this move request because I'm growing very tired of having to constantly write (and read) "ABe".

Per WP:UE:

In deciding whether and how to translate a foreign name into English, follow English-language usage. If there is no established English-language treatment for a name, translate it if this can be done without loss of accuracy and with greater understanding for the English-speaking reader.

WP:COMMONNAME analysis:

Napier uses "Abe Yoshitoshi" in Anime from Akira to Princess Mononoke.
Clements & McCarthy use "Abe Yoshitoshi" in the 2015 The Anime Encyclopedia and remark "He favors unorthodox typography and likes his name to be written with the Y in lower case and the B in upper. We prefer to keep our English-language text readable."
The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction (2021 entry) uses "Yoshitoshi Abe".
Marc Hairston writing in Mechademia uses "Abe Yoshitoshi"

ANN often uses "Yoshitoshi ABe" but has had some trouble lately in staying consistent
Otaku USA used "Yoshitoshi aBe" (???????) in 2022.
Many other review sites have used "ABe", e.g. Anime Feminist.

My opinion is that we should go with the academics and other tertiary sources in order to "keep our English-language text readable". His own preference is "yoshitoshi ABe", so our current title is a strange compromise anyway. I'm also pretty sure that there is some WP:CIRCULAR going on with some news publications checking Wikipedia to see what the "correct" spelling is. Charcoal feather (talk) 00:08, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Contrast bell hooks, whose preference is certain and well-documented. Here, where it's so inconsistent and possibly CIRCULAR, we should default to standard English conventions. WPscatter ^t/_c 01:27, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.