Talk:Fluffernutter

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Racism[edit]

Is it necessary to say that it is spread over white bread? What if whole wheat or pumpernickel is used? It would still be considered a fluffernutter sandwhich due to the presence of marshmallow creme and peanut butter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.163.86.157 (talk) 19:10, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Photos in Article[edit]

Does anyone else find it completely ridiculous that there is a final assembly photo? It's a god damned sandwich!

Dude, that's what makes it real. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.24.224 (talk) 04:45, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm of the opinion that the picture is silly and should be removed. --CPAScott (talk) 14:30, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm of the opinion that the picture is silly and should be kept. Glorified even. 71.207.158.68 (talk) 20:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing notable about its construction. The photo is superflous. I'll remove it. Rwalker (talk) 22:01, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rizzoli & Isles[edit]

They make a reference to the Fluffernutter, at a point in the show her mother drops by to give her something to eat and she offers Isles one and she said what is the white stuff, she said fluff, like cotton? no like marshmallow and the brown stuff is particles of ground up oily peanuts, what they didn't have these in boarding school?

I think it should be added to the reference list

Rizzoli and Isles Season 1 Episode 3: Deal with the Devil —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raven-Trigun (talk • contribs) 06:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jeffrey Epstein Article[edit]

Hi Fluffernutter,

I tried to address some of my concerns with Nomoskedasticity regarding this article-- but just got his slight response below. First of all, there is no verifiability with Epstein as being under investigation for money laundering. None of the references mention it and ref #7 does not link through to a source. Given the seriousness of the accusation and that it is the lead of the article, it should be removed. Who can do this without being stone walled? Also, it concerns me as I wrote below that this article shows his mug shot when there are other salient aspects to this person. Thank you for considering my talk message to the editor below. Ianmacman is also concerned about a mug shot being used here. Obviously Epstein's crimes are serious and should be mentioned but so are aspects to his science funding. The editor below won't even let me quickly define the Program for Evolutionary Dynamics that Epstein founded and that it is the first program that a) studies evolution from a mathematic point of view and b) the first to establish a mathematic quantification of the in vivo kinetics of a human cancer. This is not off topic in my view to point this out. Noone will know what the Program for Evolutionary Dynamics is and shouldn't have to link to a new article that doesn't even exist yet on Wikipedia. THe reader should be allowed to at least a line of definition. It is a significant accomplishment in the field of biology.

I look forward to your thoughts. Thank you, TurvillTurvill (talk) 22:14, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Nomoskedasticity,

I understand that Epstein's convictions are serious but this is supposed to be an encyclopedia, with a neutral point of view. I, along with many others, feel that there is definitely a biased agenda to portraying Epstein as just a criminal. He is more than that, so it should cover all aspects that are worthy. The Program for Evolutionary Dynamics needs to be defined and explained because it was the FIRST academic group that focused on quantifying evolution. It is also the first program in the world that established the mathematic quantification of the in vivo kinetics of a human cancer. To say, that one should not put in a definition and just rely on the reference link is not in line with encyclopedic reporting or any reporting for that matter. The Program for Evolutionary Dynamics is not a household name like the Bible or the Eiffel Tower, so it needs a defining line, especially for what it accomplished in the field of cancer. Why would you want to omit this? If I were to just refer to the Epic of Gilgamesh, noone would know what I was writing about unless I identified it as the first known novel in history. I wouldn't expect the reader to have to look up the reference to understand what is going on. I look forward to your response and hope that I won't just be stone walled by a cabal of so-called editors who really just have their own agenda to push.

I am also very troubled by leading a BLP article with a mug shot, when there are other salient aspects to the person. This is truly biased in my opinion and Wikipedia is very conservative about using mug shots. Al Pacino and many other famous people have mug shots from crimianl activity ranging from prostitution, underage girls, drugs etc but the mug is not a lead photo because of the other important aspects to that person.

Please consider and get back to me. Thank you, turvillTurvill (talk) 21:11, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh, but you're not optimistic on that score (I might just be a "so-called editor")?? The WP:TOPIC point stands, and the right way to deal with the issue you raise is to consider whether it makes sense to have a separate article on the Program for Evolutionary Dynamics (or perhaps to put the relevant material into the article on Harvard). Nomoskedasticity (talk) 21:20, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Fluffernutter/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Σ (talk · contribs) 05:42, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Is the sandwich a proper or common noun? The article uses both capitalisations.

"Fluffernutter" is almost always capitalized in all the sources for this article, so that's why almost always capitalized it too. But it is a bit murky. The term has entered the common vocabulary to a certain extent, and I have kept it lowercase in those instances. It is lowercase only three times in this article, and in each instance it's to illustrate the term's wider cultural impact. I'd be happy to capitalize those, if you want me to. Bobnorwal (talk) 15:24, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Then there is no need to change it, I think. →Σ τ c. 06:21, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly recommend that you request copyedit for the article. →Σ τ c. 08:07, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean at WP:GOCE/REQ? Because I am a member of the Guild of Copyeditors, and I happen to know that that page has been very backed up lately. It could be months before my request is filled. What -- specifically or in general -- do you see wrong with the article in this area? And is there any way I could take care of the problems myself? Bobnorwal (talk) 20:39, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The method of finding the copyeditor does not matter much to me. I will, though, point out some of the more easily spotted errors. →Σ τ c. 06:21, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lead[edit]

There is a one-sentence paragraph near the end.

I'll expand it into 2 or 3 sentences. Bobnorwal (talk) 15:24, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

...renamed it Marshmallow Fluff and continue to sell it under that name today... Should be continues
However, is has... Should be it
The term "fluffernutter" has also been used Should not be in quotes. You are indicating that it is a term, and as a result, it should be italicised.
food items that incorporate peanut butter and marshmallow creme, primarily desserts... I think food items, primarily desserts, that incorporate peanut butter and marshmallow creme reads better.

All done. I'll make another pass over the rest of the article, too. Bobnorwal (talk) 23:31, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Recipe and variations[edit]

For example, Peter Callahan, a New York caterer, serves a Fluffernutter hors d'oeuvre in a toasted ice cream cone with a spoon of peanut butter and torched marshmallow creme on top. Is Peter Callahan's name worth mentioning in the article?

History[edit]

...published a recipe for the "Liberty Sandwich", which consisted of... Please italicise liberty sandwich
and may be the origin of the Fluffernutter sandwich. Citation needed.
"Fluffernutter" is a registered trademark of Durkee-Mower Please italicise fluffernutter.

Done Bobnorwal (talk) 13:11, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify, do you plan to only pass this after I have found someone else to copy edit it? In that case, I'll put it on the request page now, let this review lapse, then renominate it when the copy edit finally does get done. Of course, I think the article's in pretty good shape by now, but I accept any decision you make. Also, are there any other major gaping holes in this article? Bobnorwal (talk) 23:12, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, and no. Also, regarding the speed of this review, I have simply been unable to find much spare time for Wikipedia. →Σ τ c. 00:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In culture[edit]

Durkee-Mower has produced a handful of jingles for radio and television to advertise Marshmallow Fluff and Fluffternutter sandwiches, including a TV jingle whose lyrics explain how to make the sandwich. I do not think this is worth including.

Alright. I'll remove it. Also, I say take as much time as you need to finish this review. We all have busy lives. Bobnorwal (talk) 20:34, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Review[edit]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It is rather short, but I believe that currently, its coverage is sufficiently broad.
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
By the power vested in me, I hereby dub Fluffernutter a good article. →Σ τ c. 01:32, 24 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lead parafluffer[edit]

Given the recent edit conflicts between me and User:Kintetsubuffalo on this article, I've decided to come here, to the talk page, to make my point and wait for a counter-point.

According to your edit summaries, the lead paragraph that you've deleted is a duplication of another part of the article. While I don't know exactly what that other part is, I've taken a guess, and the two sections are below. This first quote is from the lead and is the offending section:

The sandwich was first created in the early twentieth century after marshmallow creme, a sweet marshmallow-like spread, was invented in the U.S. state of Massachusetts. Archibald Query of Somerville, Massachusetts, invented a product he called Marshmallow Creme in 1917, and Emma and Amory Curtis of Melrose, Massachusetts, invented Snowflake Marshmallow Creme in 1913. During World War I, Emma Curtis published a recipe for a peanut butter and marshmallow creme sandwich, which is the earliest known example of a Fluffernutter. Meanwhile, Query sold his recipe to Durkee-Mower Inc., who renamed it Marshmallow Fluff and continues to sell it under that name today. The term Fluffernutter was created in 1960 by an advertising agency hired by Durkee-Mower to find a more effective way to market the peanut butter and marshmallow sandwich.

And this is from the article's history section:

Marshmallow creme, one of the two main ingredients of a Fluffernutter, was invented in the early 20th century. Archibald Query invented a creation he called Marshmallow Creme in Somerville, Massachusetts, in 1917, while Amory and Emma Curtis of Melrose, Massachusetts, invented Snowflake Marshmallow Creme in 1913. During World War I, Emma Curtis published a recipe for the Liberty Sandwich, which consisted of peanut butter and Snowflake Marshmallow Creme on oat or barley bread.[13] The recipe was published in a promotional booklet sent to Curtis' customers in 1918 and may be the origin of the Fluffernutter sandwich.[14] Earlier labels and booklets published by the Curtises suggested combining Snow Flake Marshmallow Creme with peanut butter or eating it on sandwiches with chopped nuts or olives.[14] Meanwhile, sugar shortages during World War I hurt sales of Archibald Query's Marshmallow Creme, so Query sold his recipe in 1920 to two men from Swampscott, Massachusetts, H. Allen Durkee and Fred L. Mower, who began distributing the product through their company, Durkee-Mower Inc. The pair renamed the product Toot Sweet Marshmallow Fluff, and Durkee-Mower continues to sell the product under the name Marshmallow Fluff.[15] The sandwich made with peanut butter and marshmallow creme continued to be eaten, but was not called a Fluffernutter until 1960, when an advertising firm Durkee-Mower hired created the term as a more effective way to market the sandwich.[15][13] Fluffernutter is a registered trademark of Durkee-Mower, although the company's U.S. trademark registrations for the term cover only ice cream and printed recipes. In 2006, Durkee-Mower sued Williams-Sonoma Inc. in the United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts, alleging that Williams-Sonoma infringed on its trademark by selling a marshmallow and peanut butter chocolate-covered candy under the Fluffernutter name.[16]

While they cover the same content, I cannot say that they are duplications of each other. Rather, the quote from the lead is a whittled down parphrase of the quote from the main article. I thought that's how you were supposed to do it. Honestly, that's how I've done it with all of my articles, and I've never encountered someone saying otherwise, until now. Will you help me edit the lead to your satisfaction, Kintetsubuffalo? Bobnorwal (talk) 16:15, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks and sorry for the wait, yesterday was the last Christmas party at my Kindergarten and I am beat.

Here goes. While the article sandwich has the interesting stuff inside, you have to wade through too much fluff first, causing loss of appetite rather than whetting it.

The sandwich was first created in the early twentieth century after marshmallow creme, a sweet marshmallow-like spread, was invented in the U.S. state of Massachusetts. Archibald Query of Somerville, Massachusetts, invented a product he called Marshmallow Creme in 1917, and Emma and Amory Curtis of Melrose, Massachusetts, invented Snowflake Marshmallow Creme in 1913. During World War I, Emma Curtis published a recipe for a peanut butter and marshmallow creme sandwich, which is the earliest known example of a Fluffernutter. Meanwhile, Query sold his recipe to Durkee-Mower Inc., who renamed it Marshmallow Fluff and continues to sell it under that name today. The term Fluffernutter was created in 1960 ~~by an advertising agency hired by Durkee-Mower~~ to find a more effective way to market the peanut butter and marshmallow sandwich.

So it would then read like this, smooth and creamy, not so chunky:

The sandwich was first created in the early twentieth century after marshmallow creme, a sweet marshmallow-like spread, was invented in the U.S. state of Massachusetts. The term Fluffernutter was created in 1960 to find a more effective way to market the peanut butter and marshmallow sandwich.

It's easier to swallow and makes you want more. Of course, I've never put olives in one, so I could be wrong. By the way, what was the outcome of the lawsuit? That's what I'm hungering for. Thanks!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 01:38, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, twentieth century or 20th century? Pick one and stick with that for satisfying chewing consistency.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 01:41, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have incorporated your suggestions, with a few changes. Feel free to tweak it or rewrite it. Re: "20th century", feel free to pick one. I'm fine with either. But maybe you should see what the Manual of Style says about it? I think it would be best if you just edit the article directly from now on, rather than discussing everything on the talk page first. I wrote this article awhile ago and have no further plans for it. Besides that, a few of your actions (ie, deleting a section of the article, then restoring it without acknowledging a change of heart; changing the title of this talk page subsection; and not addressing your intial assertion of "duplication") and the brash tone of your user page have made our interactions a little uncomfortable for me. I'm here to enjoy myself, and a fight over Fluffernutters is just silly, so I'm going to back away now. I don't mean you any harm. See you around. Bobnorwal (talk) 22:15, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Americans[edit]

Such a vile thing could only have come from our American brethren. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.59.59.34 (talk) 04:09, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, right. Because vegemite is a perfectly reasonable sandwich spread. :D 198.140.202.128 (talk) 08:40, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

George Newman or Alfred E Neuman?[edit]

This page describes the invention/history of marshmallow creme in useful detail but wisely (?) omits mention of any Earl of Sandwich type story about the first fluffernutter.

Yet, somehow a real (?) person named George Newman is listed in the info box as "inventor" -- what is the evidence for that? if there is evidence, why don't we see it cited?

Oh, wait, I found a reference to George Newman in WP: UHF_(film) Martindo (talk) 00:47, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2021[edit]

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Need to add under “in pop culture”

Sopranos S4Ep1 “ for all debts public and private“ character Christopher Moltisanti played by Michael Imperioli goes to his mothers house after killing his fathers alleged murderer and says to her “ Actually, I was hoping you could make me one of your fluffernutters“ Brettfortenberry (talk) 00:13, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Heartmusic678 (talk) 16:18, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2021[edit]

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Alternate meaning of Fluffernutter: It is used as a verb; the act of throwing said keg into the air towards your foe and attempting to ignite it mid-air with an explosive crossbow bolt, often in a dangerously reckless way. This is use in the Role-playing game: Dungeons and Dragons, specifically in the youtube series: Critical Role RandomNerd1 (talk) 01:01, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:16, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Caps[edit]

I changed caps to lc for consistency with the lede sentence, before seeing the note in the GA review. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:45, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pending changes[edit]

This page needs to be edited by unregistered users as it is a good article so I’m recommending pending changes 213.202.140.9 (talk) 13:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pop culture: exforce[edit]

these sandwiches feature prominently in Craig Alansons Expeditionary Force books. Eskyewel (talk) 00:11, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]