Talk:Miklós Zrínyi

Beware of the pigs!

Wild boards have a particular importance for the history of Carpathian basin. Prince imre, the only son of Saint Stephanus I, founding king of Hungary, also died to a wildboar's tusks. Many people and some historians argue, both him and Zrinyi were killed by austrian assains. Zrinyi actually planned to make a revolt against the Habsburgs, so getting rid of him would seem logical to the Austrian Empire. However, many eye witnesses testified that Zrinyi was indeed wounded in a way consistent with a wildboar. I'd say 75% probable hunting accident, 25% assassination, but we'll never get to know for sure.

POV Template and Information Removal

User Silverije has removed some information from the infobox (Kingdom of Hungary) and introduced a POV template. I would like to kindly ask him/her to explain the removal of this information and to identify those points which (s)he thinks are not neutral in the article. KœrteFa {ταλκ} 08:00, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Čakovec and Gornji Kuršanec were in the Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg) at that time...--Kebeta (talk) 16:43, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Kebeta, I am afraid you are wrong. Čakovec and Gornji Kuršanec historically belonged to Zala county which never was part of the Kingdom of Croatia. It was attached to the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovanes only after WWI. --Csesznekgirl (talk) 09:54, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure about that....historically is very vague term...look at the map on the right...it's 200 yeats after Miklós Zrínyi but it denies your "historically" and "It was attached to the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovanes only after WWI."--Kebeta (talk) 20:26, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Maybe your map is inaccurate. Fakirbakir (talk) 22:39, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

It's not mine...I just drag it from the article Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg). --Kebeta (talk) 22:57, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Let's see the historical facts. Between ca. 1000 and 1848 the area was part of Zala county within the Kingdom of Hungary and had no legal or administrative ties whatsoever with the autonomous Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia. In September 1848 during the conflict with the Hungarian government, Ban Josip Jelacic occupied Muraköz/Medjimurje region and by a declaration attached it to Croatia. However, he lost it within a month. In 1849 it King Franz Josef decided that Muraköz/Medjumirje temporarily be administered by Varasd county, but from 1861 it was administered again by Zala county. So Kebeta's map might be OK for the the period between 1848/49 and 1861, but certainly not for Zrínyi/Zrinski's time. --Csesznekgirl (talk) 08:12, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I also think that Csáktornya / Čakovec was part of the Kingdom of Hungary (KoH), in that time. Even Encyclopedia Britannica claims this [1]. An editor-made map does not seem like a reliable source that proves the opposite. Hence, the infobox should be updated accordingly. Cheers. KœrteFa {ταλκ} 05:54, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

This isn't true, Cakovec became part of Zala county in 1719, after acquisition of Johann Michael von Althan Duelhawk (talk) 23:26, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I can't f***ing belive how far hungarian fascism goes today. You imbeciles are serious in renaming people?? This is an utter digrace... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emoutofthevee (talk • contribs) 21:47, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Dear Emoutofthevee, tell me are you serious or what kind of aim should be suspected for your primitive provocation? What kind of "hungarian fascism", what "imbeciles" and "renaming people" are you hallucinating about? You make speculative and offensive charges without good faith, this is a real utter disgrace! Shame! (KIENGIR (talk) 00:28, 23 November 2015 (UTC))

Name

Now can anyone explain to me this stupidity of using Hungarian version of Croatian name for Croatian nobleman? Zrinski's were Croats. Their name is Zrinski or of Zrin. Of course you had different versions of your name in Middle ages in Europe, Latin, German, Hungarian but to name Croatian nobleman who has a Croatian name Nikola Zrinski in Hungarian is pure stupidity. Pp (talk) 12:19, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

I kindly ask you to study a bit the topic. The Zrinksi/Zrínyí became Hungarian nobles as well and had a Hungarian lineage also. Especially the subject here was born in Hungary and had a Hungarian mother as well.(KIENGIR (talk) 12:38, 22 August 2019 (UTC))

This was discussed some time ago. Obviously, the Zrinskis were a family with Croatian origins and close ties to Croatia. They were also members of a multi-ethnic empire, and various members of them were more associated with one part or another of that empire. It seems the most natural and intuitive way to name the articles is to go by what context each member was most well-known, and this particular Zrinski is most famous for his contribution to Hungarian culture and his Hungarian patriotism expressed in that contribution. It's not in any way meant to lessen his Croatian-ness, but rather to reflect the reality that out of the Zrinski family, he is the member most closely associated with Hungarian-ness. Korossyl (talk) 16:04, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Nonsense, they have no ethnic ties with Hungary, all ties were political. Nikola IV was born in Zrin and there was never Hungarians there. Zrinski were part of house Šubić, one of the twelve noble tribes of Croatia Duelhawk (talk) 23:22, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

I am a Croat and I live in Canada.

While I have Canadian citizenship, I consider myself a CROAT first.

Ethnicity (my nation) comes before bureaucratic citizenship. 104.158.48.139 (talk) 13:30, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Change of article name to Nikola VII Zrinski

You changed the article name from the Croatian name Nikola Subic Zrinski to Nikola IV, both of which are Croat parents. And here they left the article Hungarian name Miklós Zrínyi who is Nikola VII Zrinski, whose father is Croatian and his mother is Hungarian, that makes no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.172.73.159 (talk) 04:01, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Nikola VII Zrinski considered himself a Croat and this is shown in a letter he wrote to his friend Ivan Ručić in 1658. “Ego mihi conscius aliter sum, etenim non degenerem me Croatam et quidem Zrinium esse scio.”

... the last part says "... I am a Croat and a Zrinski." 104.158.48.139 (talk) 13:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC)