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Wiki Education assignment: Online Communities[edit]

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 8 January 2024 and 17 April 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Lvogel1 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Lvogel1 (talk) 01:40, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Lila! This looks like a great article so far. You have a lot of sources and do a good job backing up your claims. There was just one ("There is dispute among researchers about the efficacy and safety of various high-protein diets.") that could maybe use a citation after to avoid making vague claims like "some people say", etc. I also just made some minor grammatical edits. Other than that my only suggestion would be to elaborate a little bit in your Efficacy section. But good job so far! :) -Lmeyler02 (talk) 19:37, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Meatfluencers[edit]

Hi everyone! I added a "meatfluencers" section to this High Protein Diet page and would appreciate some feedback. I look forward to collaborating! Lvogel1 (talk) 12:54, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of those sources were medical reviews. Please take a look at WP:Fringe and WP:MEDRS. Psychologist Guy (talk) 14:36, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Psychologist Guy, that is true, but this trend is an interesting event in the history of the diet, for which there are some notable sources. (Is there policy that articles about diet must strictly be about their medical standing?) I think a history section, with this content, could be useful. (Disclosure: I am @Lvogel1's teacher.) Reagle (talk) 13:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sourcing was unreliable. This is Boston's NPR News Station [1]. This was a cooking website called Bon Appétit [2]. The text added to the Wikipedia article quoted "producer Ben Brock Johnson", he is not a dietitian or physician. Why would we quote a producer? This is an opinion paper written by a well known carnivore diet advocate [3], this paper has been cited many times on Wikipedia by carnivore advocates, it fails WP:MEDRS and is always removed. The other source (source 14) was not linked to, I am guessing it was this source from The Telegraph [4]. There is also the issue of WP:OR, only one of those sources claimed the carnivore diet is a high-protein diet. The others did not use that terminology. The article in The Telegraph can be used but it doesn't specifically say the carnivore is a type of high-protein diet, you can read the full article here [5]. As stated this runs into the issue of WP:OR. In conclusion there are too many issues here. If we are not going to be citing medical reviews, we should at least be citing medical experts or qualified dietitians. We already have an article on the carnivore diet which does not describe it as a high-protein diet. If The Telegraph is to be added it might be better there. Psychologist Guy (talk) 13:52, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Psychologist Guy, thank you for these suggestions and your findings. I will look into collaborating with others to see if this is a better fit for the carnivore diet. Thanks again! Lvogel1 (talk) 01:02, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I wrote a section in my Sandbox on mental/cognitive health and a high protein diet. I am wondering if anyone would be willing to give feedback so eventually I can contribute to the main space? Here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lvogel1/High-protein_diet#Efficacy Thank you! Lvogel1 (talk) 19:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you mean well but most of the sources you are using in your sandbox are not reliable. If you read WP:MEDRS we do not use primary sources for biomedical content, so try looking for clinical guidelines, official statements from medical organizations or systematic reviews. We wouldn't cite a single case study or trial, a good review of studies is needed. Sources 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, 18 are not reliable and cannot be used on Wikipedia. You have cited one systematic review on dairy from 2016. The problem with this review is that it was heavily funded by the dairy industry. We are not going to cite biased reviews funded by the food industry. We have an article on dairy products that has a section on the health effects of dairy. There is a lot of good evidence dairy is beneficial in the diet but it seems off-topic here and as stated we wouldn't cite an industry funded review that like.

In conclusion, most of the content you are citing is very unlikely to find it's way onto a Wikipedia article because it is not reliable. If you want another opinion, I recommend asking at WikiProject Medicine where experienced medical editors can offer their view on such content. Psychologist Guy (talk) 21:57, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]