Talk:Chalcedon

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Copy-paste from Britannica?[edit]

See this page and compare.

71.241.71.72 (talk) 00:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The same text appears in the 1833 Britannica, so not a copyright violation. Looks like Britannica just hasn't updated their article much in the past 175 years. --Delirium (talk) 03:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Modern Name?[edit]

What is the modern name of this site? It's in Istanbul, but what's this particular district called? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ellsworth (talk • contribs)

Umm, Kadiköy, as I mentioned in the last line of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taksim25 (talk • contribs)

At what time did Chalcedon cease being an independent city? Snaxalotl (talk) 12:00, 5 June 2009 (UTC)snaxalotl[reply]

Map[edit]

This article needs a good map showing the historic location of Chalcedon. 72.200.153.59 (talk) 17:10, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Original Phoenician research?[edit]

The article states that the Phoenician name was "𐤊𐤐𐤓 𐤇𐤃𐤔 hadiic kapr", but I can't find a reference for this, and the road leading from Ḣadiic Kapr to Khalkēdōn is far from obvious to me. Also, the Phoenician words as written in the Phoenician alphabet are swapped: the letters, transliterated, spell "KPR ḢDC". This suggests that someone cobbled this together by looking up the Phoenician words for "new" and "village" and putting them together without realizing that conventionally Phoenician is written from right to left. --Lambiam 16:53, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I see that the ancient Greek name for Carthage was Καρχηδών Karkhēdōn, from the Phoenician name Qart-ḥadašt meaning "New City". It is much more plausible that the etymology of Khalkēdōn is essentially the same, also considering that the Chalcedonians themselves apparently though the name of their city was Καλχήδων Kalkhēdōn, seeing as that was what they put on their coins. --Lambiam 17:13, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

True. also written as Carchedon. Böri (talk) 09:18, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Original Greek research?[edit]

The article states that Greek Καλχήδων Kalkhēdōn means "copper". However, the word καλχήδων is not found in classical Greek dictionaries, and no words starting with καλχ- have a copper-related meaning; they all have something to do with κάλχη kalkhē, meaning "murex", or the purple dye extracted from it. Instead, the regular word for the noun "copper" is χαλκός khalkos, and all words starting with χαλκ- have a meaning related to copper or bronze, except for the hapax legomenon χαλκηδών meaning "chalcedony", and words derived from the proper name Χαλκίς, meaning Chalcis, which however itself is derived from χαλκός.

It really looks as if the original Greek name was Karkhēdōn or Kalkhēdōn, derived from the Phoenician name (see above), which through metathesis (possibly supported by folk etymology, relating the name to khalkos "copper") was later transformed to Khalkēdōn. However, I have no sources for this. I'm removing for now the claim that Καλχήδων means "copper". --Lambiam 17:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a source (an edition of the Bibliotheca historica of Diodorus Siculus) using the variant Καρχηδόνιοι Karkhēdonioi for Καλχηδόνιοι Kalkhēdonioi, i.e., "Chalcedonians". The introduction also states that, although Καλχηδὼν (note the accents) has generally been changed in the books to Χαλκηδών, Diodorus, just like the historian Polybius, would have used the former spelling. This bolsters the theory I presented above. --Lambiam 18:20, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Megarian Colony section[edit]

The section states that: "Indeed, Strabo and Pliny relate that the oracle of Apollo had told the Athenians and Megarians who founded Byzantium...". However, the History section on the Byzantium page states that: "Byzas had consulted the Oracle at Delphi to ask where to make his new city." Anyone know whether it was the Oracle of Apollo, or the Oracle at Delphi that made that prophecy?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kepoui (talk • contribs) 19:02, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ottoman rule[edit]

This article says: It came definitively under Ottoman rule under Orhan Gazi a century before the Ottoman conquest of Constantinople. It is true but Chalcedon became a part of the Eastern Roman Empire again in 1402. The Ottomans retook the city in 1453. Böri (talk) 07:48, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]