Talk:Snowball (Animal Farm)

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who is Trotsky in the novel Animal Farm

Trotsky is represented by Snowball in the novel Animal Farm, since as a parallel to Trotsky, Snowball was ostracized by a leader who later on turned out to be harsh (Napoleon). Both had ideas of Permanent Revolution in which more rebellions would be encouraged in order to keep the nation protected.

Indeed, to expand on the above, in what is perhaps the most explicit parallel of Trotsky's revolutionary philosophy, Snowball wants to use the pigeons on the farm in order to ferment discord in neighbouring farms (permanent revolution). Napoleon, on the other hand, thinks it best to protect the farm first and foremost (akin to Stalin's 'Socialism in one country' philosophy).

Also, in a further parallel to Trotsky, Snowball was the leader of the animals during the Battle of the Cowshed. Trotsky, of course, commanded the Red Army during the Russian Civil War.

Jean Girard (talk) 09:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This section reads like a plot summary - something that might belong on the main Animal Farm page, but not here. Since all of the material that you're considering pruning already exists on the main page for the book, I say go for it. If I might make a suggestion, I think you could safely cut this down to one or two sentences e.g. "Snowball is exiled by Napoleon in a manner that parallels the real-life exile of Trotsky following a rift that developed between Stalin and Trotsky." or something along those lines, maybe including something about Napoleon/Stalin consolidating power. DiggyG (talk) 07:14, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oops. I just read the rest of the article and it looks like my suggested edit would still be redundant. I vote for deleting the whole "Exile" section. DiggyG (talk) 07:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

John Reed version of character[edit]

I've removed this content from the article: "He returns in John Reed's controversial 9/11 follow up Snowball's Chance, where he brings capitalism to the Manor Farm. Like Napoleon's puppies, he had a team of goats that helped him out. The George Orwell estate objected to the publication of the work". For one thing this article is explicitly about the character from Animal Farm (hence the Animal Farm in parentheses in the title of the article) and second this is simply the same character being used by a different author. If we allowed the content of this article to be composed of just anything any author wrote about a character then we would literally have endless amounts of content we could add to it since anyone can write a book about any subject using the same character.--Jersey Devil (talk) 14:02, 1 December 2008 (UTC) yes i agree[reply]

I would like qualified writers to think about the fact of speeches in this book, school students find it difficult to come up with a speech when being a specific character in the book because not much is said dirtectly —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.208.34.216 (talk) 19:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Snowball's Ideas[edit]

"When Snowball actively organizes the animals into groups of committees, Napoleon simply states that the education of the young is all that was needed. This creates conflict between each other."

This seems like a bad example. It is being used to demonstrate Napoleon's constant opposition to Snowball, but Napoleon doesn't just say this to oppose Snowball. It's an excuse to train the pups into a secret police force. I loved snowball :p — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.247.73.169 (talk) 12:23, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Scapegoat[edit]

There's no mention of Snowball's role as Napoleon's scapegoat and use of scare tactics etc within this article, despite holding a rather large meaning within Animal Farm, and Orwell's other writings (1984 especially). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.112.234 (talk) 23:56, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Animal Farm[edit]

Animal Farm is an interesting book that reflects on the leadership of Russian Federation. For example, Napoleon reflects on Joseph Stalin. N.B.A Nkosi 040106338 (talk) 14:02, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The CIA should not have made them changed Snowball[edit]

I mean Yeah. Laney145 (talk) 04:26, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]