Talk:Holy Child of La Guardia

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Changes to section[edit]

Changed the Bibliograohy section to Conclusions. References to be added later. Jkslouth (talk) 13:55, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Section Judicial Process[edit]

Translation of this section completed, needs editing and referencing.

Jkslouth —Preceding undated comment added 17:51, 15 April 2011 (UTC).[reply]

This section to be competely rewritten using correct sources as the translation from Spanish is confusing and doesn't flow. John Stanbridge 19:18, 17 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkslouth (talk • contribs)

Is there any source justifying that "Brasero de la Dehesa" literally means "meadow of execution"? As a native Spanish speaker, I would have expected a literal translation as "brazier of the pasture." Daniel Callejas Sevilla (talk) 20:07, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Headline text[edit]

El Santo Niño de La Guardia

In the text we can read that this niño (child) was sacrificed in the north-western Spanish province of Pontevedra (Galicia). The real thing is that this little town belongs to the province o Toledo, in Castille, in the center of Spain.

From what I understand, the said La Guardia didn't even exist at the time. Apparently, it was made up accusations, and the town where the ritualistic murder was said to have happened never existed, either. So, the accusations could have placed this town into the north-western part of Spain, as it would be unrelated to the actual town in Toledo.

According to James Reston's book (The Dogs of God), the historical accounts of the time describe the murder as having taken place in Toledo which indicates that at least the people of the time believed it to have taken place there. Also, La Guardia, Toledo, Spain was in existence since the XII century according to the Spanish Wikipedia and so it would predate the case of the Holy Child by at least 200 years. It is therefore my educated opinion that the article should stay as it is. Besides, it is clear in the article that the murder probably never happened and so the location of it is not where it happened like in most articles but where it is/was believed it happened.User:Mardochaios 00:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

EDITS[edit]

I edited it to clear up that even the alleged confessions were claimed to be obtained under torture; I changed it to an ALLEGED murder; I also linked to blood libel. I think it's pretty fully justifiable. The story is an example of anti-semitic blood libel; to continue to report a patently false story as though it were true is to continue that blood libel. Phillip (talk) 04:45, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I removed one citation to a book apparently for publicity purposes only (listing a small publisher ISBN but no page number), since it was put in the initial paragraph and never cited again. The sentence to which it was attached is contradicted later in the article, and according to the research I did a few years ago wrong, so I removed it. The other reference in that sentence seemed part of the 'leyenda negra', and I just moved the old and pageless ref down, because tho it includes an isbn, it's also available online according to the external link section. IMHO the blood libel and crazy trial are the important parts. I'm also going to highlight the distance between Astorga and Avila, the two locations cited.Jweaver28 (talk) 17:34, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Right now the first sentence in the lede is: "The Holy Child of La Guardia (Spanish: El Santo Niño de La Guardia) (died 1491) was the victim of a ritual murder by the Jews in the town of La Guardia in the central Spanish province of Toledo (Castile–La Mancha). " Now I know it links to blood libel and if you click that you can see that those were unfounded accusations based on antisemiticism. No jews actually murdered the holy child of la guardia. So why does the sentence say that is what happened? It should say "The Holy Child of La Guardia (Spanish: El Santo Niño de La Guardia) (died 1491) was the alleged victim of a ritual murder by the Jews in the town of La Guardia in the central Spanish province of Toledo (Castile–La Mancha). " I placed the word "alleged" into the sentence. Popish Plot (talk) 16:15, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I changed it is some manner that probably needs works to avoid ambiguity. The 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia calls the accusation nonsense. There is a pretty good analysis of the problem there. Student7 (talk) 17:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Translation[edit]

I will attempt the full translation of the Spanish article this week and then sort out the Eng. style when I have finished. I will do it section by section and leave the intro and conclusion until last. Jkslouth (talk) 11:22, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]