Talk:List of prime ministers of Greece

Explanation needed

Number 88 is missing from the list of prime ministers. Is the numbering off, or did one get skipped?

From Dimitrios Voulgaris (No. 33 on the list) to the present incumbent onwards, there is (sometimes, not always) a number BEFORE the column "Term of Office". Will someone please add an explanation as to what this number indicates or else remove it (if it is irrelevant).Barmispain (talk) 23:11, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone know whether Xenophon Zolotas is actually still alive? If so he will be 100 this year. Adam 09:52, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

What the hell is up with Constantine Caramanlis? I've always seen the spelling Karamanlis. A google search gives ten times more hits with Karamanlis than with Caramanlis, and many of the early hits for Caramanlis are either Wikipedia or Columbia Encyclopedia, which only contains a cross reference. john 21:25, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The traditional practice in Engish is to render kappa in Greek names as C - Sophocles, Corinth etc. I agree that this practice is breaking down as the fashion for orthographical correctness becomes more widespread. But since Wikpedia needs to be consistent, I felt that it was better to stick with the established practice. His uncle was always Constantine Caramanlis in English, and it looks a bit odd to spell two members of the same family in two different ways. Adam 00:59, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

See a similar conversation about Talk:Kostas Karamanlis. The official site of the greek prime ministry spells it Karamanlis. -- Magioladitis 17:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Anglicizations of names, and so forth

It seems to me that we should stop anglicizing the forenames of all these prime ministers (and other Greek politicians). We don't anglicize the names of Hungarian politicians, and the usage of anglicized vs. non-anglicized names is probably similar there as for Greece (I've certainly seen Julius Andrássy more frequently than Gyula Andrássy). It seems to me that at a certain point, it becomes simply a matter of consistency. The non-anglicized names are becoming more common, and none of the names of Greek (or Hungarian) politicians is so familiar that we can't imagine seeing them non-anglicized (as is the case with many monarchs, for instance - I doubt "Felipe II" will ever catch on). As such, it seems to me that we should just use the non-anglicized forms.

Let me also add, in response to Adam's comment of quite some time ago about transliteration of Kappa, that while it is generally true that ancient Greek names are transliterated with the "C" standing in for Kappa (and probably always will be), this is not the case for modern Greek names. There are way more hits for "Karamanlis" than there are for "Caramanlis." john k 04:08, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Template

Thanks Damac for the great changes! Now to fill it in... :) Argos'Dad 16:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Wrong Way Around

The prime minister is elected by the people - then, the parliment elects the president. After I saw this page I knew you'd want a reference so.....what?

No, the people elect delegates to parliament. The president then appoints a prime minister who can command the support of a majority in parliament. Informally, one could say that the prime minister is elected, since there's two main parties and everyone knows that the leader of the one that wins the election will be appointed PM. But that's not how it formally works. john k 17:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Coat of Arms

It seems to me that there is a difference between the Coat of Arms of the monarch and the Kingdom. Looking at coins from the period of the Monarchy I see the previous COA (lozenge, supporters and crown) not double crown with ermine and award below. With respect to the First Kingdom, I agree that the COA for the Kingdom during Otto's reign is not the same as during the Glucksburgs, but the double crown isn't right either. Also, I thought the lozenge with olive branches was the symbol of the Revolutionary government and Kapodistrian government. Thoughts? Argos'Dad 19:14, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

The coat of arms during Otto's time is the one I've uploaded. It is based on the actual Great State Seal, in the National Historical Museum (Old Parliament) in Athens. Colours are a bit conjectural (the seal is, obviously, cast in metal, and uncoloured) but based on the - understandably - very similar Bavarian royal coat of arms. In coins, as far as I know, only the central shield with a crown on top, surrounded by a laurel wreath, was used [1]. The lozenge pattern in the centre of the cross is a typically Bavarian emblem (check out the Wittelsbach dynasty). Kapodistrias used two symbols: the well-known phoenix, very similar to the one of the junta [2], as a national emblem, and a depiction of Athena standing, on his seal, inherited from the earlier Provisional Administration [3]. The phoenix was also used as an emblem during the Second Republic, from 1932 till 1935, I think. As for the Glücksburg CoA, the full version ("Greater CoA") is the one used, albeit the current one is a bit fanciful. In reality, the mantle was red, and the Glücksburg CoA was rarely used in the middle for the national coat of arms. The middle version of the CoA, very often used, was without the mantle, only the shield, the Hercules, and the pedestal, similar to the one you created.

P.S. if anyone could do a nice png or svg image of the phoenix from the coins [4] to use in making the missing coats of arms, it'd be great! P.S. 2. I don't know about the legal copyright status concerning the revolutionary seals. I'm quite certain that fair use as a logo applies, or are they considered PD because of their age and the fact that they are obsolete? I'd like to know so I can use them. Regards, Cplakidas 20:22, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Party colors (or colours if you prefer)

Cplakidas, your adding party colors is a very nice touch and something I have thought about doing for a while. It is good that the colors maintain some connection to the parties (Blue for ND, Green for PASOK), but I was unsure what to do with the early parties. Liberals have often been yellow in Western Europe and conservatives blue, but what to do with the English Party? The choices you made are inspired by historical connection to those countries, but they also repeat the blues and greens that appear later. So, what do you think about this template?

This is a key to party colors and party abbreviations for Prime Ministers and politicians of Greece:
English Party (Αγγλικό Κóμμα) French Party (Γαλλικό Κóμμα) Russian Party (Ρώσικό Κóμμα)	Nationalist Party (Κόμμα Εθνικόφρονων) New Party (Νεωτεριστικόν Κόμμα)	Liberal Party (Κόμμα Φιλελευθέρων) People's Party (Λαїκό Κόμμα) New Democracy Party (ΝΔ) PASOK (ΠΑΣΟΚ)
Party abbreviations or full names must be retained for universal visual access.

Obviously a lot of parties are missing: KKE (red of course), ERE, EK, Free Thinkers, the Military League (?)

Thoughts, anyone? Argos'Dad 03:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

In Athens just before the most recent election, if I remember correctly, the following party colours were in use:

ND (The right wing party) RED, PASOK (The Left wing party) GREEN, The Green Party (ecologists) ORANGE, KKE (The Communist Party) BLUE, KKE - ML (The "even more communist than the communists" party)PALE BLUE

It could only happen in Greece!

Mickmct (talk) 13:29, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

The current colours for the Russian Party and Panhellenic Socialist Movement are too similar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.232.64 (talk) 00:08, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

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Metaxas

Why is Metaxas' potrait constantly removed? I ask that we monitor this behaviour closely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kupraios (talk • contribs) 23:16, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Where is no. 32?

No. 31 is Benizelos Rouphos, PM from 29 April until 25 October 1863 under King Otto of the House of Wittelsbach. No. 33 is Dimitrios Voulgaris, PM from 6 November 1863 until 17 March 1864, the first one under the Glücksburg Dynasty.
- Was there another PM between 25 October and 6 November 1863? If so, shouldn't he be added?
- If not, shouldn't no. 32 be assigned to current no. 33, and all subsequent PM's have numbers that are one less than their current number?
WHB (talk) 07:45, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

There was no government between Rouphos and Benizelos, somehow the numbering slipped there, thanks for pointing this out. I am making some other changes too, to bring the dates (currently a mixture of Old Style and New Style, with much confusion) to the common standard of Old Style until 1923, when Greece adopted the Gregorian Calendar. Constantine ✍ 08:13, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

OK, it appears that there are some issues here, a) there was another number skipped, b) there was a non-existent premiership of Rouphos in early 1865, and the dates are horribly jumbled. I am asking for the other editors to give me a little time to fix the article top to bottom. Constantine ✍ 08:42, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting this. I cannot help much here because I know nothing about the subject - I just noticed the numbering mismatch. Cheers - WHB (talk) 11:13, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

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